Posts by freemindfade

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Judge sanctions WTS - $4k per day penalty for not producing sex abuse documents

by Simon in

judge sanctions jehovah's witnesses.

imposes $4000-a-day penalty for not producing documents in sex-abuse case.

by dorian hargrove, june 24, 2016. a san diego superior court judge has ordered the church of jehovah's witnesses, also known as the watchtower bible and tract society of pennsylvania, to pay $4000 a day for every day that it fails to produce documents requested in a civil lawsuit brought by former parishioner, osbaldo padron, who claims a church elder sexually abused him when he was seven years old.. in a june 23 ruling, expected to be made final today, judge richard strauss admonished the church for willfully ignoring a court order to produce all documents associated with a 1997 body of elders letter that church leaders sent to parishes around the world in a quest to learn about sexual abuse of children by church leaders.. over the course of the past year, the watchtower society and its lawyers have fought hard to keep the letter confidential, claiming that turning over the documents would infringe on the privacy of those mentioned in the letter that were not associated with the case.. in march 2015, the church turned over a heavily redacted version of the letter.

freemindfade

Someone said that's only 1.5mil a year. I don't think the beauty of this is in the amount. Its their willingness to throw away donated funds of any amount to cover their ass. Its the implications. I think they are delaying until they move more property because the flood gates will open with one lost case delay delay delay

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Islam is a religion of peace (2)

by Coded Logic in

in behalf of the horrific events of saturday night, i just wanted to take a moment to remind everyone that islam is a religion of peace.

it doesn’t matter that the quran explicitly says that homosexuals should be stoned to death (7:84) - it’s still a religion of peace.

and it doesn’t matter that the scriptures say that all gay men should be killed (sunan 1:152) - islam doesn’t in anyway condone violence.. it doesn’t matter that every mainstream imam calls homosexuality a sin "worse the adultery" - it’s not a religion of bigotry.. it doesn’t matter that 61% of muslims in the uk think gay acts should be made illegal - islam has nothing against the gay community.. it doesn’t matter that countries with sharia law actively persecute the lgbt community - islam is all about peace and love.

freemindfade

I don't understand calling these perpetrators "lone wolfs" that might be the stupidist thing I've heard from apologists.

Radical Islam is a PLAUSABLE interpretation of how to practice this religion based on the Quran. End of story. If you are Muslim and go jihad crazy you are not alone but rather connected by this moronic book, not terrorist ties. They all worship the same ugly god and prophet

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I've been found out!

by pale.emperor in

well, thats it folks.. my identity on here has been rumbled and reported to the elders.

someone, somehow, has figured out that im a member of this site and - rather than speak to me - has promptly reported me to the elders.

i just feel sad for my daughter.

freemindfade

This religion makes me sick. They pat themselves on the back as champions of freedom of religion while denying it to their own members.

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Islam is a religion of peace (2)

by Coded Logic in

in behalf of the horrific events of saturday night, i just wanted to take a moment to remind everyone that islam is a religion of peace.

it doesn’t matter that the quran explicitly says that homosexuals should be stoned to death (7:84) - it’s still a religion of peace.

and it doesn’t matter that the scriptures say that all gay men should be killed (sunan 1:152) - islam doesn’t in anyway condone violence.. it doesn’t matter that every mainstream imam calls homosexuality a sin "worse the adultery" - it’s not a religion of bigotry.. it doesn’t matter that 61% of muslims in the uk think gay acts should be made illegal - islam has nothing against the gay community.. it doesn’t matter that countries with sharia law actively persecute the lgbt community - islam is all about peace and love.

freemindfade

Committing an act of terrorism is a plausible interpretation of Islam

Stoning an adulterer is a plausible interpretation of Christianity and Judaism

What do you still see going on?

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/06/14/admit-it-these-terrorists-are-muslims.html

this is a great article by someone I think has very intelligent points.

It is time that we liberals took the fabled red pill and accepted reality. Just as this clearly has something to do with outdated gun laws, and just as those laws need reform, this also has something to do with Islam, which also needs reform today. No other stance makes any sense.

Muslim apologists undermine reform

JWS make a cartoon about gay marriage and we all jumped to criticize the hell out of them with good reason, also any other fundies that still preach the same message. In syria they are throwing gay people off of the tallest buildings they can find and we are too chickensh*t to insult islam.

I've said it before, I feel like I'm taking crazy pills!

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Islam is a religion of peace (2)

by Coded Logic in

in behalf of the horrific events of saturday night, i just wanted to take a moment to remind everyone that islam is a religion of peace.

it doesn’t matter that the quran explicitly says that homosexuals should be stoned to death (7:84) - it’s still a religion of peace.

and it doesn’t matter that the scriptures say that all gay men should be killed (sunan 1:152) - islam doesn’t in anyway condone violence.. it doesn’t matter that every mainstream imam calls homosexuality a sin "worse the adultery" - it’s not a religion of bigotry.. it doesn’t matter that 61% of muslims in the uk think gay acts should be made illegal - islam has nothing against the gay community.. it doesn’t matter that countries with sharia law actively persecute the lgbt community - islam is all about peace and love.

freemindfade

The same logic applies to Christians, since the Bible is filled with the same messages of violent bigotry. The only difference is Christianity is about a century ahead of Islam in ignoring and explaining away similar texts.

This is the smartest thing I think anyone has said on this board regarding this matter. Christianity is in remission, Islam is growing.

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Islam is a religion of peace (2)

by Coded Logic in

in behalf of the horrific events of saturday night, i just wanted to take a moment to remind everyone that islam is a religion of peace.

it doesn’t matter that the quran explicitly says that homosexuals should be stoned to death (7:84) - it’s still a religion of peace.

and it doesn’t matter that the scriptures say that all gay men should be killed (sunan 1:152) - islam doesn’t in anyway condone violence.. it doesn’t matter that every mainstream imam calls homosexuality a sin "worse the adultery" - it’s not a religion of bigotry.. it doesn’t matter that 61% of muslims in the uk think gay acts should be made illegal - islam has nothing against the gay community.. it doesn’t matter that countries with sharia law actively persecute the lgbt community - islam is all about peace and love.

freemindfade

Doubtfully Yours

you are deluded

with all due respect

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Awesome Article From An Old Friend Of Ours

by freemindfade in

and a good friend of mine.

i know for exjw-political reasons this link won't work on here, but its worth copying and pasting to read.

enjoy!.

freemindfade

and a good friend of mine.

I know for exjw-political reasons this link won't work on here, but its worth copying and pasting to read. Enjoy!

http://jwsurvey.org/the-friday-column/the-friday-column-jehovahs-witnesses-and-doubts

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"Shunning" - now a Watchtower word?

by slimboyfat in

i know jws have long used the word "shun" in a general sense, as in "shun what is bad".

but i think they have long avoided using the word in relation to disfellowshipping.

in external media or literature wherever the word "shunning" was used in a piece about jws it was usually a good indication it was critical of watchtower and not a neutral or supportive commentary.

freemindfade

Funny how quickly things change. Just in early 2015 I was having a blowout with my family and used the word shunning to describe disfellowshipping. I was quickly corrected by my aunt who said that is an "apostate" word.

Guess not ...

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JW TV, this month about evolution

by bohm in

this month the last segment is about evolution.

one is with a sister with a university education in biochemistry who (presumably) teaches at a highschool or public school.

she says that left handedness of amino acids indicates life was created because "if it was a random process half would be right handed and half left handed" (paraphrased).

freemindfade

If they so desired, the society could produce a PhD each month who believes the Earth is flat.

I agree with that. I personally know some PhD's that are incredibly ignorant. In the uneducated org its going to sound like they are brilliant scientists though. PhD "piled higher & deeper"

Its no guarantee of sanity or intelligence. Look at Ben Carson for Christ's sake!

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JW TV, this month about evolution

by bohm in

this month the last segment is about evolution.

one is with a sister with a university education in biochemistry who (presumably) teaches at a highschool or public school.

she says that left handedness of amino acids indicates life was created because "if it was a random process half would be right handed and half left handed" (paraphrased).

freemindfade

I think this new effort on their part shows they are losing their religion to science and they know a lot are waking up (not so much to jw fuckery) to the bible and god being total BS. Starting to seem more desperate to present "scientific" opinion.