Focus on the freedom, with a good fade the heartache wont happen, and the void left by your crumbling doctrines will soon be filled with relief and peace. Tear it down. Let it crumble. There is light on the other side trust me, I know the anxious feeling you are experiencing. Being a witness for a long time or raised in it as I was gives you an all or nothing mentality, this makes it hard to progress without feeling like the ground is going to open up and swallow you
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A Mind at War
by cappytan inright now, i feel like my mind is at war with itself.. on the one side is reason, logic.. on the other is tradition, hope and fear.. reason and logic are challenging life-long beliefs.
they are telling me, "is this any more believable than the story of the lord of the rings?".
certain doctrines of my belief system are crumbling.. my mind still wants to hold on to the belief in a creator, his son jesus and the bible.
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downton.org
by freemindfade ini hate to out myself like this... but was watching downton abbey with the wife .
and anyway, there are a lot of high control similarities to the aristocracy and other control groups and cult etc.
there are fascinating bits constantly exposing how the an elite class are self ordained to be in such a position, and completely unqualified in many ways, something not as educated as a lowly school teacher of the time, or not as driven by questioning and truth as a lowly drive, but just do as your told... because... anyway this is not my main point, what i am getting at is in the last episode i caught (spoiler alert) it was a big deal for them to get a "wireless" basically a radio, in the house.. you can constantly see how the establishment is threatened by people being informed or exposed to outside people and ideas.
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I hate to out myself like this... But was watching downton abbey with the wife
and anyway, there are a lot of high control similarities to the aristocracy and other control groups and cult etc. There are fascinating bits constantly exposing how the an elite class are self ordained to be in such a position, and completely unqualified in many ways, something not as educated as a lowly school teacher of the time, or not as driven by questioning and truth as a lowly drive, but just do as your told... because... anyway this is not my main point, what I am getting at is in the last episode I caught (spoiler alert) It was a big deal for them to get a "wireless" basically a radio, in the house.You can constantly see how the establishment is threatened by people being informed or exposed to outside people and ideas. In any event still getting on, they all listen to the king saying something, now at the end the old grandma lady, who is old school hardcore aristocracy says hearing the king speak makes him more real, and she is not sure if that is a good thing or bad thing. It might remove the magic that keeps them so important and special. And it instantly got me thinking about JWtv. Making the witnesses aristocracy get out in front of everyone and speak is going to take away that mystery most share about the GB. It's making them real and to quote her, "not sure if thats such a good thing". Think about it... and don't judge me too much for watching this
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The emptiness of science may explain the rise of fundamentalism...
by cognisonance inneurophilosopher, thomas metzinger says in his book:.
the ego tunnel: thescience of the mind and the myth of the self.
the ego evolved as an instrument in social cognition, and one of its greatest functional advantages was that it allowed us to read the minds of other animals or conspecifics and then to deceive them.
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Religious people think science works the same is religion in its stance on things which is not true:
Science: Always Doubt
Religion: NO doubt
Science: Always Question
Religion: NO Question
Science: When challenged replies with evidence
Religion: When challenged becomes hostile
They are not the same at all, but always avoid someone that says they have all the answers, stick to those always looking for actuall truths (not truth, truths)
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2015 Regional Convention Theme - unofficial-
by WatchTower87 innews about 2015 regional convention theme?.
list of my preview:.
- the end is at hand.
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Listen, Obey, and be ready to pay...
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New member, no longer just reader...
by freemindfade inso i joined very recently and began posting and commenting without a formal intro.
been reading for a while, decided it was time to jump in.
mentally i am completely cleansed of this thing, but still have to maintain a minimal involvement for spouse and family.
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you and I are very much on the same page.
Real truth is irrefutable, and can stand up to anything without doubt
Real truth doesn't involved mystery
Real truth is simple
The bible, the dubs, any religion do not contain any of this. And ridding yourself of all of those opens a new world of peace and happiness.
- Less worry
- Random acts of kindness
- A loss of interest in conflict
- Happiness
- Enjoying each moment
- No more judging self
- No more Judging others
- Feeling of true appreciation
- A connection to others
- True unconditional love
- Loss of interest in taking every negative world event and trying to interpret into something
- The ability to think free
- Act spontaneous
- Learn
- grow
- experience
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Losing Faith
by cappytan ini've always been a "spiritual" person.
i've been an avid bible reader since as early as i can remember.
i read the bible cover to cover for the first time when i was about 17 years old and have read it at least twice more since then.
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I say this, first step take the pressure off yourself. Their emotional blackmail is working, take control. Stop feeling like you need to make an immediate move about your doubts, use this forum to doubt in private until you are fully comfortable with your choices. I know you are afraid to let them down, but if you don't leave all the way (DA DF) you can take control, and you might be surprised by who loves you despite not being an uber dub. I still accompany my spouse to meetings, but have zero faith in the bible, and zero in the dubs, its an aggravation, but i know I have a few friends here and else where to help me cope -
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Am I going crazy?
by HappyDad inam i going nuts or am i just pissed off?
there are so many posters who use abbreviations in their posts and so many of us have been out for years.
the borg constantly changes everything from beliefs to organizational tactics, so those like me don't have a clue to what you are referring to.
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hahahaha i still go to meeting and I am not sure what that is...
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New member, no longer just reader...
by freemindfade inso i joined very recently and began posting and commenting without a formal intro.
been reading for a while, decided it was time to jump in.
mentally i am completely cleansed of this thing, but still have to maintain a minimal involvement for spouse and family.
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I think so, when I attended the convention (was one of the internationals) this was not the org I grew up in, I felt very uncomfortable and embarrassed with most of it. Its so over the top. Guess there are enough educated dubs to see a cooperate rebirth and marketing campaign when they see one.
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New member, no longer just reader...
by freemindfade inso i joined very recently and began posting and commenting without a formal intro.
been reading for a while, decided it was time to jump in.
mentally i am completely cleansed of this thing, but still have to maintain a minimal involvement for spouse and family.
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Saltheart Foamfollower Yea, its so hard to clap for something that goes against everything your mind believes, I do the golf clap for about 3 seconds.
OnTheWayOut I understand, the stress I was feeling going to meetings and feeling so lied to it was seriously giving me major anxiety issues and i am not an anxious person. But one day it just stopped and i felt like the poison was out. Now its just a major irritation, The amount of nonsense you want to look around and laugh like as if right? then you realize everyone around is (or at least pretending) believing this crap. Im gonna try to do a full fade without DAing myself just to still speak to my loved ones, but if for some reason anything i have done that would get me booted, I would not be all that tore up. oops you got me, b-bye..
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New member, no longer just reader...
by freemindfade inso i joined very recently and began posting and commenting without a formal intro.
been reading for a while, decided it was time to jump in.
mentally i am completely cleansed of this thing, but still have to maintain a minimal involvement for spouse and family.
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Oh I remember the SUNK COST FALLACY in school, never had much of an issue with that, the only wisp of anything left in it that I care about is being able to speak to a handful of family members. Thats pretty much it. And I don't do anything to try to show people I agree. I imagine eventually even the occasional meeting attendance will stop, thats just a favor to someone else. Even when I was convinced at first of TTATT I went through a few weeks of somatic stress, even though I was never really convinced 100% it was the truth, I just felt like my mind and body had to go through that purge. Not like I wanted to believe it, or held on to anything, basically I was a closet atheist, but it still needed to pass out of my system. Once gone, i got back to being at peace, I make no shows for anyone in my family or where I attend and I make this clear. If anything can be gained by my still being around it may be to help my spouse courageously see TTATT (this will likely never happen) or others. I had one friend who I helped cross that bridge. Now he speaks to his DF'd brother again and is unafraid to move on with his life. I'm inside the Matrix as it were, but I know about the reality and the Matrix has no hold on me outside of the one last courtesy I give one of its members... My spouse.
