Posts by freemindfade

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New member, no longer just reader...

by freemindfade in

jw
friends

so i joined very recently and began posting and commenting without a formal intro.

been reading for a while, decided it was time to jump in.

mentally i am completely cleansed of this thing, but still have to maintain a minimal involvement for spouse and family.

freemindfade

FayeDunaway

Yes the carts they are trying to reinvent the golden age of this thing.

Instead of sandwich boards...carts

Instead of phonographs...ipads, no more share a scripture "watch this" or "go to this site"

Instead of the cross and crown pin...jw.org pin

They with all the failed doctrine, and peoples ability to access to so much information on the internet, I think they are dumbing the witnesses down more and putting them in a box. We used to be taught to defend ourselves with a bible, but most people didn't have the info they have now, can you imagine as a witness calling on someones door who went to jwfacts and started firing off questions? Of course I know when I was younger I would just believe they were reading lies about witnesses and they were severely misinformed because thats the I was told to believe under fear of being shunned or dying at Armageddon for thinking otherwise.

Its not my grandfather JW, but in some ways it still is. The cultish orwellian control is the same, but the model is much more transparent and under threat. The organization is changing everyday, and those unable to think rationally just see it as "progress" while the rest of us see it for what it is, scrambling to reinvent and rebrand before anyone notices the man behind the curtain (wizard of Oz reference).

The gb now appears on jw.tv which I don't think is great for the org, yes the die hards say its the best thing ever, but I think it's exposing some as not some angelic benevolent brothers of christ. Which for the diehards (here comes another 1984 reference) is still 2+2=5... "isn't it so great, to see how they are just like us". Anyone able to take a second from the cult flow and stand back and look can see the utopian veil has been lifted of this thing for many. I honestly believe that most people doubt what they teach, and the bible, but have the mentality of so many that if not this than what? which is a dangerous trap to living a life with meaning and purpose.

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New member, no longer just reader...

by freemindfade in

jw
friends

so i joined very recently and began posting and commenting without a formal intro.

been reading for a while, decided it was time to jump in.

mentally i am completely cleansed of this thing, but still have to maintain a minimal involvement for spouse and family.

freemindfade

Thank you everyone, I hope to continue to draw off your stories and support and give back as much as I can in return.

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S-61-E Elder checklist for C.O. visit

by wifibandit in

full set: http://imgur.com/a/7k2rj .

pdf: https://mega.co.nz/#!jo8g3ssj.

use key:srn2ww5-whppvrokxfv5wjczahbhhz7de3h2skqfcje.

freemindfade

Wasn't Armageddon suppose to come before we got to this insane administrative level of analness? what does all this crap have to do with spiritual enlightenment?

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Why I like Jehovah's Witnesses

by undercover witness in

i keep reading that jehovah's witnesses are in effect monsters.

i keep reading that they kinda leave chaos and distrust in their wake.

so i simply wondered if anyone had anything nice to say about them?.

freemindfade

Good people in the organization are just that good people, the idea one is intrinsically tied to the other is not right. Most my family that are uber are just very good people. I believe they would be this way in , or if they had never been contacted. There are great people inside with great motives. Doesn't make the whole thing not a cult. There are also a lot of aholes. Its funny how the good people the credit is given to the org, but the @$$holes are just "imperfect people in a perfect organization" and the org gets a pass from being responsible for this. Its all BS and if you believe being JW makes you good thats cognitive bias based. I've known more atheist that were honest, kind, would do anything for you, much more than most any dub I've ever known. And I've been in this thing from birth for decades. Ive traveled been in "good halls" and "Bad halls" I feel pretty rounded, and I am telling you good people are just good people. A good witness is a good person, a good atheist is a good person. The end.

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Reason why God wanted/made humans write the scriptures

by looter in

jehovah's witnesses believe that god sent humans to write the bible because his servants can relate better to humans since they are humans.

i heard that at a meeting two weeks ago.

it does not make sense to me at all but i do not know how to explain it.

freemindfade

rebel8

also rabbits chew cud.... and so on and so on

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"Jehovah ALWAYS had/used an organization". How would you reply?

by EdenOne in

in a recent meeting with elders, an argument was used to the effect that jehovah has always [= throughout history] used, or operated through, an organization; therefore, the wts must be that organization today, since god must be using one.

naturally, i know what arguments i've used to counter that argument.

but i'm interested in hearing yours.

freemindfade

Well if you feel the need to believe the bible... when Jesus showed up his organization. Was corrupt. In fact the Hebrews were disobedient more of the time worshiping baal than the big J. It's all nonsense

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Your worst convention experience.

by zeb in

by a split second rescuing our handicapped son from being pushed down the stairs by a flood of sisters rushing out to see as the drama had started.. the main offender being a special pioneer..

freemindfade

Attending, I really got to see that this is not a special organization. And I am not talking about a handful of weak ones, I am talking about the majority and even well regarded elders and their families. I've never been so disgusted with people. The rudeness, the disregard, these people are only sheep when it comes to buying into BS doctrines. Otherwise they are sneaky, stubborn, entitled @$$HOLES. At one of the last conventions I was an attendant at I had multiple horrible experiences. It sickened me and only pushed along my feeling that these people are nothing special, but love to talk about how their conduct is so different than the world. Well its not

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Reason why God wanted/made humans write the scriptures

by looter in

jehovah's witnesses believe that god sent humans to write the bible because his servants can relate better to humans since they are humans.

i heard that at a meeting two weeks ago.

it does not make sense to me at all but i do not know how to explain it.

freemindfade

Your logical neocortex is telling you this doesn't add up, which is correct. Why is it so important? really? Just like say billions and billions of people need to suffer and die over a point made when eve bit the apple? Its what I like to call the witness 2+2=5 mentally. Everything your brain wants to reject they need to come up with some explanation that gets you to the desired end result. That the bible is right.

Its analog thinking and its stupid. How much more reliable would a source be that was with god??? If and angel wrote to us "you must not murder" are you going to say wtf does he know, he's not a human like me!! no! What's right is right (biblically speaking) and whats wrong is wrong. Who cares who wrote it. Its just something that helps dubs sleep at night so they can tell themselves the bible is not a book of fairytales.

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Need to vent: Wife just went in full cult mode, huge fight. she is so brainwashed

by goingthruthemotions in

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friends

out of the blue my wife started to ask me about my feeling about the borg.

i told her i didn't want to talk about it...she persisted.

she already knows how i feel, i told her that my biggest beef is that they use mind control, and yep she went in to how i was an apostate and how she doesn't want to be married to an apostate.

freemindfade

People in the org often fail to see the ration ship between jdubs and other things they find appalling. Like radical islamists, super isolated groups like the amish, or dangerous Jim Jones type cults. But this is one of the most powerful and common DNA ' s of undue control. Intolerance of questioning doctrine. To accessing outside information that doesn't come from within, in Islamic extremism it has a clear horrible effect. .. but in the dubs isn't this also destructive in its own way? She will leave you for simply having a questioning mind. Something the dubs incorrectly pride themselves on. "Prove to yourself it's the truth... from our literature and opinions ONLY!" I feel you pain. I have the fights etc. But my only difference is she told me I can do what I want she won't leave. Which is surprising, but the only thing we fight about is this GDamn religion. Thomas straight doubted jesus no??? He was not treated as an apostate? I'd use that but its hard to make my defenses based on something I consider a fairytail

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3rd Gen DF'd finally writing

by AFreeBeliever in

i've been reading many of the postings on this forum for a couplefew years, finally joined today.

i think reading cappytan, and others like that, compelled me to share, it seems i might have a bit of a different outcome than many i have read, perhaps it will be hopeful/helpful to someone.. i was a born-in, 3rd gen jw, my entire family (parents, grandparents, aunts, uncles, cousins, and most all of my childhood friends) were in.

some dropped by the wayside as the years went on, but many stayed in, and if they didn't, they still acted/talked as if they believed it was "the truth" and it was their weaknesses/failings that made them stop attending.

freemindfade

welcome from another noobie...

and take to heart what OnTheWayOut said