What this sentence really means in witnesses speak is if you are 100 years old, terminally I'll, or something similar, they won't pressure you to work harder for the org.
freemindfade
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JW Articles Loaded with Intentional Imbedded Misleading Clauses...
by freemindfade inthis makes me fume while i sit listening to this at the sunday beeting.... "hence, an elder who is tenderly compassionate does not try to control the sheep, making rules or using guilt to pressure them to do more when their circumstances do not permit them to.-w15 2/15 pp.
5-9. now this sentence makes the elders sound like they should not control, use guilt to pressure etc... but then it has a qualifying statement no one seems to hear.
when their circumstances do no permit them to.
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JW Articles Loaded with Intentional Imbedded Misleading Clauses...
by freemindfade inthis makes me fume while i sit listening to this at the sunday beeting.... "hence, an elder who is tenderly compassionate does not try to control the sheep, making rules or using guilt to pressure them to do more when their circumstances do not permit them to.-w15 2/15 pp.
5-9. now this sentence makes the elders sound like they should not control, use guilt to pressure etc... but then it has a qualifying statement no one seems to hear.
when their circumstances do no permit them to.
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freemindfade
This makes me fume while I sit listening to this at the sunday beeting...
"Hence, an elder who is tenderly compassionate does not try to control the sheep, making rules or using guilt to pressure them to do more when their circumstances do not permit them to.-w15 2/15 pp. 5-9
Now this sentence makes the elders sound like they should not control, use guilt to pressure etc... but then it has a qualifying statement no one seems to hear. WHEN THEIR CIRCUMSTANCES DO NO PERMIT THEM TO. That means they CAN try to control and pressure with guilt anyone who they feel should do more AND has (in their opinion) the circumstances. I hate this kind of stuff. When you read the article on JW.org about "Do Jehovah's Witnesses Shun?" To an outside it sounds like the witnesses are so loving and balanced, but it is loaded with this type of witness legalistic code language.
Who can't see this as obvious deception? Everyone commenting gobbles it up as so loving and no one mentions the qualifying part... CULT
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Ok, so in the spirit of the April broadcast, what do you want to ask god to fix for you?
by stuckinarut2 inso by now most of us have heard about (or watched) the april broadcast and the ridiculous "experience" of the guy that asked god to fix his construction leak before he believed in him..... so, what would you like to "pray that god fixes" in your life??.
humorous or serious replies welcome!
(although sarcastic, cynical and funny replies preferred hehe).
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"dear god, If I can dunk a basketball in the game this week, I will stop putting stuff on this site"-fmf -
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What is BELIEF ?
by EdenOne instemming from the 'absentheism' thread, an old question came to my mind.
what exactly is "belief"?.
is it the same to ask: "do you believe in god?
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Genesis 3:15 in the special talk...
by freemindfade inso as they were reading this today, i read also v. 14-16. now 15 is the basis for the whole theme of the bible essentially for witnesses, i am not sure but other religions must believe the same.. snake=satan.
woman=gods organization.
if i got that somewhat correct.
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So as they were reading this today, I read also v. 14-16. Now 15 is the basis for the whole theme of the bible essentially for witnesses, I am not sure but other religions must believe the same.
Snake=satan
Woman=Gods organization
Seed=Jesus
If I got that somewhat correct. But when you read 14 for instance, its talking about god judging the snake, not some spirit creature, he's saying the snake is gonna eat dirt etc, then he talks in 15 about bruising in heads and heels and seeds, then 16 talks about how its now gonna hurt like hell when a woman has a baby. So God is basically going person to person saying whats gonna go wrong for them, snake, woman, man and so forth, it reads like the allegory it really is, what I can't fathom is how much meaning was put into verse 15!!!!!! just out of the blue this short nonsense lays out the salvation for mankind??? Why would god need to be covert, and not just say "here is what I am gonna do..." so silly
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God evolved from chimpanzee diety
by freemindfade inresearchers say todays lord almighty shares many traits in common with the chimp deity, including color vision and omniscience.. .
berkeley, cachallenging long-held views on the origins of divinity, biologists at the university of california, berkeley, presented findings thursday that confirm god, the almighty creator of the universe, evolved from an ancient chimpanzee deity.. the recently discovered sacred ancestor, a divine chimp species scientists have named pan sanctorum, reportedly gave rise over millions of years to the lord our god, maker of heaven and earth.. although perhaps not obvious at first glance, there are actually overwhelming similarities between the supreme being of today and this early primate deity who preceded him, said dr. richard kamen, a leading biologist who also heads berkeleys paleotheology department.
the holy chimp moved around on all fours, but its descendants eventually began walking upright to expend less energy while foraging across the infinite reaches of the universe.
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freemindfade
Hilarious
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Ok, so in the spirit of the April broadcast, what do you want to ask god to fix for you?
by stuckinarut2 inso by now most of us have heard about (or watched) the april broadcast and the ridiculous "experience" of the guy that asked god to fix his construction leak before he believed in him..... so, what would you like to "pray that god fixes" in your life??.
humorous or serious replies welcome!
(although sarcastic, cynical and funny replies preferred hehe).
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freemindfade
"Almighty Desert god of jacob... please take me back in time so I can not be baptized into a wacky cult! Thank you big guy" -
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God evolved from chimpanzee diety
by freemindfade inresearchers say todays lord almighty shares many traits in common with the chimp deity, including color vision and omniscience.. .
berkeley, cachallenging long-held views on the origins of divinity, biologists at the university of california, berkeley, presented findings thursday that confirm god, the almighty creator of the universe, evolved from an ancient chimpanzee deity.. the recently discovered sacred ancestor, a divine chimp species scientists have named pan sanctorum, reportedly gave rise over millions of years to the lord our god, maker of heaven and earth.. although perhaps not obvious at first glance, there are actually overwhelming similarities between the supreme being of today and this early primate deity who preceded him, said dr. richard kamen, a leading biologist who also heads berkeleys paleotheology department.
the holy chimp moved around on all fours, but its descendants eventually began walking upright to expend less energy while foraging across the infinite reaches of the universe.
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Researchers say today’s Lord Almighty shares many traits in common with the chimp deity, including color vision and omniscience.
BERKELEY, CA—Challenging long-held views on the origins of divinity, biologists at the University of California, Berkeley, presented findings Thursday that confirm God, the Almighty Creator of the Universe, evolved from an ancient chimpanzee deity.
The recently discovered sacred ancestor, a divine chimp species scientists have named Pan sanctorum, reportedly gave rise over millions of years to the Lord Our God, Maker of Heaven and Earth.
“Although perhaps not obvious at first glance, there are actually overwhelming similarities between the Supreme Being of today and this early primate deity who preceded Him,” said Dr. Richard Kamen, a leading biologist who also heads Berkeley’s paleotheology department. “The holy chimp moved around on all fours, but its descendants eventually began walking upright to expend less energy while foraging across the infinite reaches of the universe. This of course led to the bipedalism of modern-day God.”
“In fact, you can see a distinct likeness to God in the chimpanzee deity’s skeletal structures, not to mention its prototypical expressions of vengeance and wrath,” Kamen continued. “The great-ape god was, however, considerably smaller in stature, having not yet developed the capacity to occupy all space and time simultaneously.”
According to experts, divine life began as a single-celled all-powerful organism roughly 3.6 billion years ago, eventually evolving into a multicelled, sponge-like deity that bobbed and floated across the chaos of the early universe. Kamen explained that over hundreds of millions of years, the godlike life form became more complex, with limbs that allowed for locomotion across the endless expanse of the heavens, and sophisticated photoreceptor cells capable of seeing all things.
Based on newly obtained evidence, the Pan sanctorum is thought to have first experimented with creation ex nihiloaround 7 million years ago. Kamen noted that the chimpanzee deity made several early attempts to produce rudimentary solar systems, but on each occasion was spooked upon inadvertently creating fire, which is said to have caused it to screech loudly, angrily swat away the newly formed sun, and then scamper across the universe to hide from the flaming sphere.
“Natural selection played a huge role in the evolution of divinity, and in this regard, the adaptive value of Pan sanctorum’s immortality proved critical to its survival,” said Kamen, adding that with its opposable thumbs, the divine ancestor was eventually able to fashion primitive tools for creating crude oceans and basic mountain ranges. “Today’s Lord Almighty actually still has a small bony protuberance in the small of His back, the vestigial remains of a tail we believe was used by an even older, monkey-like god to facilitate climbing, allowing it to escape into the heavens when faced with danger.”
“That potential for threats made it an evolutionary imperative for the primate god to develop omnipotence,” Kamen continued. “As well as sharp claws and pointed incisors.”
Though its smaller brain limited its cognitive abilities, the chimpanzee deity is believed to have possessed not only self-awareness, but also spatial intelligence, object permanence, and a rudimentary capacity for knowing all that is, all that has been, and all that ever will be.
However, it was only relatively recently that the heavenly species developed the intellectual capacity for higher reasoning, critical thinking, and infinite wisdom, according to Kamen. For Pan sanctorum, he noted, the passage of divine judgment was “purely a matter of primal instinct.”
“While complex speech would not emerge until the evolution of the Cro-Magnon god from Pan Sanctorum, the chimpanzee deity was capable of using grunts and hand gestures to convey basic emotions such as happiness, anger, or the forgiveness of sin,” Kamen said. “However, it appears that the chimp deity often exhibited extremely aggressive behavior, in some cases unleashing its divine wrath with little if any provocation toward the mortal chimps it created in its own image.”
He added, “It is our understanding that these creatures lived in a kind of jungle-like forerunner to the Garden of Eden, until a day came when their enraged creator cast them out, flinging feces at them as they fled.”
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What is BELIEF ?
by EdenOne instemming from the 'absentheism' thread, an old question came to my mind.
what exactly is "belief"?.
is it the same to ask: "do you believe in god?
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freemindfade
I think with this discussion we've fallen into the trap of where we come from.
The word "belief" itself is dynamic. Not static. It has solid definitions in dictionaries. It has loaded ones religious and atheist groups.
Bottom line: only you know what you believe and what belief really means to you.
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What is BELIEF ?
by EdenOne instemming from the 'absentheism' thread, an old question came to my mind.
what exactly is "belief"?.
is it the same to ask: "do you believe in god?
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freemindfade
Edenone I get your OP. Regardless of the translation though it's meaning is context based and situational. For witnesses it's an absolute black and white tool. I have found recently my frustration with people asking me "what do you believe then"? I have grown to hate it. Because before I thought black and white now I realize belief is never 100% I guess it's kinda like myth butsters to me. Confirmed. Busted. Or plausible. The reality is most things in our life fall under plausible. Lack of belief in god is not a claim that there is NO god. This is where people can't understand atheists.
