Posts by freemindfade

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Number of Muslims protesting London terrorist attack = ZERO. Number of Muslims protesting forced Mosque closure in France = HUNDREDS

by kpop in

so it is now two days after another islamic terrorist attack.

how many muslims are in the streets protesting and condemning this evil?

how many are marching in all the big cities condemning this in mass protests?.

freemindfade

Your prosal is to replace these critics with others who are more hardline and who thereby "shame" Muslims out of Islam?

That is 100% absolutely not what I am saying. Why do I bother even trying to speak to you? talking to you is literally pointless. Everytime, I never learn.

I am saying the regressive left treats these critics as heretics and that is part of the problem. The CNN idiots, the SPLC.

I am not proposing "a program" either. I am saying this is what needs to change. You can't make CNN and their MSM conterparts f-ckwhits stop being f-ckwhits. Or celebrities spewing nonsense, people who claim to be liberal that demonize and shun ex-muslims.

Exposing and being honest about Islam is fought by brain damaged people parading around as liberals. I offer no solution, except that you will never reform anything as long as these lies go on.

I never suggested replacing any Critics of Islam, I am talking about not letting morons censor them. Again having any kind of discussion with you has no point. WTF??

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Number of Muslims protesting London terrorist attack = ZERO. Number of Muslims protesting forced Mosque closure in France = HUNDREDS

by kpop in

so it is now two days after another islamic terrorist attack.

how many muslims are in the streets protesting and condemning this evil?

how many are marching in all the big cities condemning this in mass protests?.

freemindfade

I wasn't being confrontational. Just I don't have as much faith as you and I don't think there is an easier answer.

People claiming to be liberal need to stop putting Islam on a pedestal in the oppression olympics. It's outright looney.
The critics need to not be demonized. A lot of really admirable Muslim apostates already have to face threat of death from their former religion, they should not have to face harsh criticism from what should be progressive individuals. They need to be treated as victims & survivors and given a better voice and not pushed into the shadows by knuckleheads calling them islamophobes. Such as complete brain dead moron Ben Affleck.
It needs to be disinfected with sunlight! Exposed for what it really is, not treated as a race, or some great cultural idea that must be preserved, but shown to be what it really is, an archaic ugly ideology. Ideas NEED public shaming, not people.

My point, we can't expect reform if we (society) are shitting on the reformers along with their death cult. We need to give them a real voice first.

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Number of Muslims protesting London terrorist attack = ZERO. Number of Muslims protesting forced Mosque closure in France = HUNDREDS

by kpop in

so it is now two days after another islamic terrorist attack.

how many muslims are in the streets protesting and condemning this evil?

how many are marching in all the big cities condemning this in mass protests?.

freemindfade

I agree with e.g. Hirsi Ali that the best way to accomplish this is from within, i.e. similar to how the Catholic Church of medieval time was reformed.

That's a good theory, I just don't see how you can do that. Islam is growing, fast. In places/countries that could be considered central to its theocracy not just reform, but free speech is a life and death matter, how could someone even survive to the point of reform if speech and thought is so controlled through violence? The reality is they are more like a Cult than just a religion, I think this makes them pretty impervious to reform. Their central most figure (cult leader) and example is not a living person, but a dead prophet who was a degenerate. I just can't wrap my head around reform, I just can't see what you would reform.

When Mohammed said this, ignore that, but follow this, and who will say it? You have an imam on this side of the street that wants peaceful Islam and one on that side that wants jihad.

Anyway, I am sure you and I more than agree on most this Islam business. I am not arguing against that idea, just that I don't have a lot of faith in its plausibility.

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Number of Muslims protesting London terrorist attack = ZERO. Number of Muslims protesting forced Mosque closure in France = HUNDREDS

by kpop in

so it is now two days after another islamic terrorist attack.

how many muslims are in the streets protesting and condemning this evil?

how many are marching in all the big cities condemning this in mass protests?.

freemindfade

The one thing they won't do, criticize their own beliefs.

And why hate? This idea leads us to a utopian ideology that is not achievable. I am having a mental picture from the 'The Giver' of them getting their injections.

The people of Jonas's community don't understand genuine emotion or pain, because their lifestyles allow no opportunity to experience it. Birthmothers are not allowed to raise their own children. Sex is forbidden and sexual urges medicated away. Adults are not allowed to choose their own spouses. Identical twins are not both allowed to survive because they would be too close emotionally. Every decision made in the community serves a purely practical purpose and is based on the rules set down at the time of the community's establishment, promoting Sameness and leaving no room for sentimentality.

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Number of Muslims protesting London terrorist attack = ZERO. Number of Muslims protesting forced Mosque closure in France = HUNDREDS

by kpop in

so it is now two days after another islamic terrorist attack.

how many muslims are in the streets protesting and condemning this evil?

how many are marching in all the big cities condemning this in mass protests?.

freemindfade

I think the main problem is not so much that people don't condemn a specific act (which I believe most times is done out of the best intentions, but can also Islamic principles of Taqiyya & Kitman) but its that they cannot prescribe responsibility to their religion and nor should anyone else. That is too taboo, and there is your problem.

Would those people dare hold up signs criticizing Islam itself? No f-cking way! A JW can say they condemn child abuse, but at the same time absolve their "tribe" from accountability in it, claiming any who criticize watchtower are evil.

Are they there to show support for the victims? or to try and separate themselves from the evil?

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Number of Muslims protesting London terrorist attack = ZERO. Number of Muslims protesting forced Mosque closure in France = HUNDREDS

by kpop in

so it is now two days after another islamic terrorist attack.

how many muslims are in the streets protesting and condemning this evil?

how many are marching in all the big cities condemning this in mass protests?.

freemindfade

Excellent post

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Can we support Russian government's ban?

by intropist in

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글쓴이: 류비 / 시간: 목, 03/30/2017 - 14:48. .

hi, i want to leave my personal opinion on the matter of russian government's banning on the activity of jehovah's witnesses in their territory.

i think it's more or less important because bearing a certain opinion is related with the quality of life.

freemindfade

No doubt the label extreme they brought on themselves and are being called out on it by a totalitarian state. But things need to be done the way they are in Australia not Russia.

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Can we support Russian government's ban?

by intropist in

jw
friends

글쓴이: 류비 / 시간: 목, 03/30/2017 - 14:48. .

hi, i want to leave my personal opinion on the matter of russian government's banning on the activity of jehovah's witnesses in their territory.

i think it's more or less important because bearing a certain opinion is related with the quality of life.

freemindfade

Can we support the Russian ban?

No

Two wrongs don't make a right. Trying to ban corruption doesn't work anyway, you need to educate and expose it.

Freedom of speech might be our most valuable right. It should not be taken away from anyone. There are other ways to fight them.

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Who else is tired of attacking/defending Islam?

by Spoletta in

at this point, i think we have a good idea of everyone's opinion of islam.

for the love of god, can we move on to something else!

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freemindfade

OK spoletta, I'll give a nonsarcatsic response to your OP.

How do we disinfect ourselves of bad ideologies and actions of harmful organizations and groups? We bring them into the light.

How did all of you wake up from watchtower? Was it not having uncomfortable truths about this organization taken out of the shadows and into the light for you? Those tuths were there all along but we denied, explained away, and demonized critics.

Me: "There is an institutional abuse problem inside watchtower"

Jw: "That's not true you are just an apostate who hates all witnesses"

Now this works like this

Me: "there is an intrinsic terrorist and Human rights problem within Islam"

Apologist: "you are an islamaphobe, you hate Muslims"

If you think all of us here who criticize Islam are so awful, you think the same of many exmuslims who are very much just like you just from a different religion. A WORSE religion.

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Who else is tired of attacking/defending Islam?

by Spoletta in

at this point, i think we have a good idea of everyone's opinion of islam.

for the love of god, can we move on to something else!

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freemindfade

I think it's funny that I didn't venture an opinion at all whether Islam was good or bad, and you folks come out of the woodwork to attack it. Next time I'll just post the word "Islam" and see if you get all hot and bothered about that.

Isn't freedom of speech grand! You who hates freedom of speech?

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