homerage lol, maybe dave does look like that
Posts by KW13
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13Homage to AlmostAtheist
by KW13 inthat's actually a great opportunity to see if you've got real friend material on your hands or not.
one of my very best friends is one i don't agree with on some important topics.
we discuss them until we each understand the other's point of view and can identify the exact point of divergence.
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Swaying Whilst Singing
by KW13 inwhy did we used to do this?
whenever we sang/prayed we used to sway like crazy lol.
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Why did we used to do this? Whenever we sang/prayed we used to sway like Crazy lol.
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"Are you Malcolm ?"
by AlphaOmega inyesterday i spent ages looking for a pair of glasses that i seldom wear.
i looked at work, then at home, then in the car.. i checked a bag in the car 3 times !
i couldn't find them.. this morning i awoke determined to find them.
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She was so bold as she got in and sat down.I like the spooky music.
its alright, i don't however provide music for free...so if we could arrange a settlement malcolm
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Who wants to be a Millionaire? JW's gets a mention lol
by KW13 ini decide to play a game in bed on the laptop and i cant even get away from them there...btw is that an error?
it says which religious organization and then it says 'jehovah's witness' - should it not be jehovah's witnesses or even the watchtower society.... .
click thumbnail to see 'the bigger picture' hehe.
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thanks, got it right anyhoo but lost at 16,000
a gazillionaire that sounds good...and you won
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Who wants to be a Millionaire? JW's gets a mention lol
by KW13 ini decide to play a game in bed on the laptop and i cant even get away from them there...btw is that an error?
it says which religious organization and then it says 'jehovah's witness' - should it not be jehovah's witnesses or even the watchtower society.... .
click thumbnail to see 'the bigger picture' hehe.
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I decide to play a game in bed on the laptop and i cant even get away from them there...btw is that an error? it says which religious organization and then it says 'jehovah's witness' - should it not be jehovah's witnesses or even The Watchtower Society...
Click Thumbnail to see 'the bigger picture' hehe
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"Are you Malcolm ?"
by AlphaOmega inyesterday i spent ages looking for a pair of glasses that i seldom wear.
i looked at work, then at home, then in the car.. i checked a bag in the car 3 times !
i couldn't find them.. this morning i awoke determined to find them.
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haha hilarious, what cheek eh?
Edited to add, maybe it was a previous guardian angel and she was trying to remind you of a previous life...dun dun dun dun dun dun...spooooooky
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My Current Battle
by KW13 inranting individuals need not reply.
i need encouragement and general advice, personal accounts etc.. am i a christian or am i not?
i've come to a point where i'm not sure whether or not i want to believe in anything, at the moment i'm confused as to whether i am a believer or whether i am someone recovering from indoctrination.. i feel that i've not had a 'pure' opportunity to decide if i want to be a believe and although the thought has been in the back of my mind, the conditioning has made me delay it and my current circumstances and poor health are forcing me to face it - i fear facing it will make me worse because its yet another thing i am not really mentally strong enough to deal with.. is it natural i fear what being an atheist means for me.
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Thank you for your post. My feeling about God and Jesus right now i'm not sure, but i will certainly take into consideration what you've said, thats a promise. As for not being condemned, yes that is a comforting thought thank you
we cant prove the existance or non existance of god, currently i think its PROBABLE that he does exist, but this throws up all sorts of other questions about his nature, about why he allows the world to continue as it does with huge amounts of suffering and injustice.
This for me is the pivotal question. The jw reasoning that he allows this to prove he is a good ruler and clear his good name doesnt hold water with me, actually i think it proves the opposite. At the moment i just cant think of ANY logical or rational reason why an all powerful and LOVING god would tolerate this situation.
Has anybody got any ideas?
Regards.
i am in the same boat mate, maybe we should both just take the plunge and see where the river takes us.
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My Current Battle
by KW13 inranting individuals need not reply.
i need encouragement and general advice, personal accounts etc.. am i a christian or am i not?
i've come to a point where i'm not sure whether or not i want to believe in anything, at the moment i'm confused as to whether i am a believer or whether i am someone recovering from indoctrination.. i feel that i've not had a 'pure' opportunity to decide if i want to be a believe and although the thought has been in the back of my mind, the conditioning has made me delay it and my current circumstances and poor health are forcing me to face it - i fear facing it will make me worse because its yet another thing i am not really mentally strong enough to deal with.. is it natural i fear what being an atheist means for me.
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Asking a question with no answer is better than having to answer a question you cannot answer. Does that make sense?
It is late so after reading that sentence three times, yes it does make sense
I left the JWs because I found so much conflict between what they teach and what the bible says. I wanted to serve God the right way. In the few years since my fade, I've bounced between intensive bible study, visiting other churches, and most of all, trying to understand why God allows all the suffering we see on earth. I don't believe the bible is inspired anymore.
My journey has taken me somewhere completely different than where I envisioned it would. Right now, I am not sure that God exists, but if he does, I am convinced that he has no strict requirement that humans worship him in a specific way. How could he?? We don't have an inborn knowledge that God is out there - we're taught he is. Depending on your country of birth, God could be One, or millions, or a trinity, or whatever. You could spend your entire life studying the subject in depth, and still not know.
If God wanted us to worship him in one specific way, it would be 'inborn' in us somehow, like a 'spiritual conscience', sort of. We'd simply know the right way to worship him. But, we don't.
Right now I'm torn between believing that we can worship God any way we want (ie, he doesn't care, as long as we pay attention to him), or believing that he doesn't care if we worship at all. Or becoming an athiest. I can't quite go there yet. But it's a journey, and I can change my mind at any time. And so can you!
A lot of interesting and important points raised, like you i went looking for God again after leaving the Witnesses and i've arrived somewhere i didn't think i had within me. Atheism, its something i find myself considering more and more often. As someone said in this thread, maybe i am an atheist and i just can't accept it right now. While i sometimes hate the fact i am faced with this choice, i wouldnt give up my ability to choose for the world. I have a choice in this for the first time with no safety net the decision is actually at some point going to be mine to make properly when i am ready.
Good question. The answers are yes, yes and yes.
Atheism is not a belief, it's simply acknowledging that one doesn't think there's enough evidence to believe (in a sky-daddy as defined or created by various cultures).
I've often compared it to belief in Santa Claus. Once you lose that belief, are you now a "believer" that there is no Santa Claus? Or have you just reached what you believe to be a rational conclusion (of non-belief)?
I'm glad it allows for me to be open-minded. That was one of my worries, although believing in God i suppose makes me closed-minded in many regards, rightly or wrongly. (Sky-Daddy lol, i love that).
Santa and God...i've never compared them but i am going to go away from my Computer tonight doing just that - honestly, i mean that respectfully. As a child i believed in the magic Santa did and i even saw 'results'. Is God so different from Santa? I suppose i'm just going to have to stop being a wimp and honestly face the subject.Atheism allows for an open mind. It allows for ANY and ALL possibilities! including the possibility of an as yet unknown God and spirituality and whatever is good in any religion. It is not deluded though. It is "awareness".
Cog
Got it that makes it all a bit easier because it kinda felt like closing the door and bolting it shut 'forever'. Maybe i'll be one of the guys falling into the cracks of the earth inside a Watchtower Magazine someday
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Homage to AlmostAtheist
by KW13 inthat's actually a great opportunity to see if you've got real friend material on your hands or not.
one of my very best friends is one i don't agree with on some important topics.
we discuss them until we each understand the other's point of view and can identify the exact point of divergence.
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Neat! I'm a *thread*! Thanks Dude.
That's a great feeling, when you've wended your way through all the arguments, put on the other person's hat, and finally reached that point where you both know and understand the same things, but you disagree. The friend I referred to above do that a few times a month and they are the times I treasure most.
People you can do that with are rare. When you find one, you gotta thank your lucky stars.
Dave
It is a very satisfying feeling and one of the joys of life - having a good ol' argument with someone and just enjoying that moment and sometimes not wanting it to end. Congratulations on becoming a thread
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My Current Battle
by KW13 inranting individuals need not reply.
i need encouragement and general advice, personal accounts etc.. am i a christian or am i not?
i've come to a point where i'm not sure whether or not i want to believe in anything, at the moment i'm confused as to whether i am a believer or whether i am someone recovering from indoctrination.. i feel that i've not had a 'pure' opportunity to decide if i want to be a believe and although the thought has been in the back of my mind, the conditioning has made me delay it and my current circumstances and poor health are forcing me to face it - i fear facing it will make me worse because its yet another thing i am not really mentally strong enough to deal with.. is it natural i fear what being an atheist means for me.
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Not knowing seems scary on its own because i suppose its very easy to wake up in the morning and think...hey i've cracked it, i've got all the answers now for the rest of my life.
