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  Kermit Gosnell, MD.

  by Glander in

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  he is accused of performing "abortions" after the birth of live babies.

  where does planned parenthood stand on this case?.

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  BizzyBee

  This is capricious and onerous:

  Judge Daniel P. Jordan III of Federal District Court found the argument compelling, writing, “Plaintiffs have offered evidence — including quotes from significant legislative and executive officers — that the act’s purpose is to eliminate abortions in Mississippi. They likewise submitted evidence that no safety or health concerns motivated its passage. This evidence has not yet been rebutted.”

  They have a right to work for the repeal of Roe v. Wade. Elected officials have a sworn duty to uphold the laws of the land, whether they agree with them or not.

  Still no dots being connected between Planned Parenthood and Kermit Gosnell.
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  Kermit Gosnell, MD.

  by Glander in

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  he is accused of performing "abortions" after the birth of live babies.

  where does planned parenthood stand on this case?.

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  BizzyBee

  So much smoke and mirrors here it's hard to know where to begin.

  Why is Planned Parenthood being injected into this case? In my research I have yet to find a connection between them and Gosnell.

  "We have consistently said that this is a horrifying and outrageous case, that Gosnell ran a criminal enterprise, not a health care facility, and that he should be punished to the fullest extent of the law," Eric Ferrero, a spokesman for Planned Parenthood Federation of America, told ABC News recently.

  Dayle Steinberg, president and CEO of Planned Parenthood of Southeastern Pennsylvania has said:

  "Planned Parenthood strongly condemns the alleged actions of Kermit Gosnell, and we would condemn any physician or health-care provider who did not follow the law or recklessly endangered the health of others. Planned Parenthood maintains strict policies and procedures to ensure the highest standard of health care."

  Steinberg reiterated her criticism of Gosnell in an April 24 Philadelphia Inquirer letter to the editor:

  "Our staff told these women that issues of cleanliness should be reported to state officials. If we had heard anything remotely like the conditions that have since come to light about Gosnell's facility, of course we would have alerted the state and other authorities.

  "Nobody who believes in good health care, access to safe and legal abortion, and respect for women would ever look at Kermit Gosnell's facility and call it a health-care center. He preyed on women in their most vulnerable moments."

  http://mediamatters.org/blog/2013/04/26/the-five-pretends-planned-parenthood-has-never/193804

  As for "increased government regulation" let's look at Mississippi, with one remaining clinic providing abortions for the entire state and that thanks to federal intervention:

  Gov. Phil Bryant, has publicly stated that he would like to see his state be “abortion-free.”

  The lawsuit brought on behalf of the clinic notes that supporters of the new law have publicly stated the broader intention to limit abortions. It cites Lt. Gov. Tate Reeves’s Web site, which says that the law “not only protects the health of the mother but should close the only abortion clinic in Mississippi”

  Judge Daniel P. Jordan III of Federal District Court found the argument compelling, writing, “Plaintiffs have offered evidence — including quotes from significant legislative and executive officers — that the act’s purpose is to eliminate abortions in Mississippi. They likewise submitted evidence that no safety or health concerns motivated its passage. This evidence has not yet been rebutted.”

  http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/02/us/judge-blocks-anti-abortion-law-in-mississippi.html

  Passing onerous and capricious regulatory legislation is typical in red states whose transparent goal is to drive abortion providers out altogether.
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  Kermit Gosnell, MD.

  by Glander in

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  he is accused of performing "abortions" after the birth of live babies.

  where does planned parenthood stand on this case?.

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  BizzyBee

  Perhaps the ultimate irony of the right-wing’s imagined controversy is that — even in states where it’s not against the law to perform late-term induced abortions — Planned Parenthood clinics don’t provide that type of service. Many Planned Parenthood affiliates only perform abortions in the first trimester of pregnancy, when women can either take a pill or have a less-invasive surgical procedure. It’s actually the women who don’t have access to Planned Parenthood clinics, which are under attack across the country as GOP-controlled legislatures do their best to shut them down, who are forced to resort to dangerous, illegal, late-term abortion services like the ones described at the Florida hearing.

  http://thinkprogress.org/health/2013/04/04/1824201/right-wing-fake-planned-parenthood/?mobile=nc
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  did any of you jW read orwells 1984 or Animal Farm

  by nonjwspouse in

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  read them while you werre still active and didn't know ttatt yet?.

  i am wonderiing about your thoughts, and did you read, recognise, anything that disturbed you, familiariaties.

  did you notice them?.

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  BizzyBee

  Yes, read them both in high school, but was unable to see the connection. Re-read them again a few years ago, and the Botting's book (fascinating!).

  Also the movie The Village is quite striking in it's parralels.
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  Kermit Gosnell, MD.

  by Glander in

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  he is accused of performing "abortions" after the birth of live babies.

  where does planned parenthood stand on this case?.

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  BizzyBee

  Yeah, drew, it is not so much about blaming pro-lifers (who mean well, I'm sure) as it is about connecting the dots - i.e., unintended consequences: if pro-lifers are successful, there will be disastrous consequences.
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  Kermit Gosnell, MD.

  by Glander in

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  he is accused of performing "abortions" after the birth of live babies.

  where does planned parenthood stand on this case?.

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  BizzyBee

  drew,

  What do you think women did before abortion was legal?

  The anti-abortion forces in this country have always worked for the total repeal of Roe v. Wade. Until they succeed at that, they are working to make it more and more difficult for women to access abortion providers. They are influencing legislators at the state level to enact onerous and capricious bills that virtually bar women's health clinics from operating. There are some regions of the country that have no providers due to intimidation and threats. Providers in Mississippi have dwindled from 6 down to one (at last report - it may be 0 by now.)

  So, poor women, with no services in their area, who do not have the wherewithal to travel 500 miles, but who are determined to have an abortion, can choose from the methods used before abortion was legal: self-induced or back-alley (which is about what I would consider Kermit Gosnell's services).

  Either way puts women's lives at risk.

  Self-induced leads to this -

  http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2004/09/way-it-was

  (warning - very graphic photo)

  Back-alley leads to butchers like Gosnell or just incompetent, ill-trained practitioners.
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  Kermit Gosnell, MD.

  by Glander in

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  he is accused of performing "abortions" after the birth of live babies.

  where does planned parenthood stand on this case?.

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  BizzyBee

  Seems that the accountable parties, besides Gosnell and his staff, are:

  Pennsylvania Department of Health

  state Home Health Division

  Philadelphia Health Department

  State Board of Medicine

  Bureau of Professional and Occupational Affairs

  Department of Health

  Department of State

  When PP received complaints from Gosnell patients, they urged women to report it to the Department of Health. Many women did that, but their complaints were dismissed until finally the clinic was raided by DEA and the Philadelphia DA in 2010. Neither Gosnell's clinic - nor any clinic in PA - had been inspected by DoH since 1993.

  The more the anti-abortion zealots push the states to enact legislation that make safe, accessible abortion services unable to operate, the more of these kinds of horror stories we will see.
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  Camelot and the Cult of Cool as the world circled the drain

  by Terry in

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  dwight david eisenhower's nickname was "ike".

  as in, "i like ike".

  i grew up under his administration which was chiefly known for lots of golf played by the commander in chief and a warning against the military industrial complex.

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  BizzyBee

  I read Terry's post as a comparison of what he recalls from day's gone by, with what he sees now.

  Yes, I get that. I was commenting on the fact that the way we get information now is different and part of the problem Terry describes.

  And responding to this:

  Today, people spout canned talking points and use red herrings of ageism and racism to barge through the pretense of having a legitimate idea.

  And I sensed a little despair in that, which I, too, feel. And the antidote is to read something with more depth and breadth, which I believe can only be found in actual books - not blogs, not articles, not snippets.

  Fact is, you can tell when people get their info from the talking heads at FOX, or Limbaugh or Beck - it's all lockstep.

  Anyway, my apologies to Terry - I know he is a great reader and, I believe, autodidact, as am I.
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  Camelot and the Cult of Cool as the world circled the drain

  by Terry in

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  dwight david eisenhower's nickname was "ike".

  as in, "i like ike".

  i grew up under his administration which was chiefly known for lots of golf played by the commander in chief and a warning against the military industrial complex.

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  BizzyBee

  Did I step on your toes, Jeff? It was just a suggestion. Sometimes we get nothing but sound-bites day-to-day and I find that reading something more solid - history, biography, commentary - is a good counter-point. Sorry.
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  Camelot and the Cult of Cool as the world circled the drain

  by Terry in

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  dwight david eisenhower's nickname was "ike".

  as in, "i like ike".

  i grew up under his administration which was chiefly known for lots of golf played by the commander in chief and a warning against the military industrial complex.

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  BizzyBee

  You're spending too much time on "media" - the 24-hour news cycle.

  Browse the library and read a good book with some depth.