Revfrank: I see that you quote Micah 5:2. Notice in the verses following verse 2 that Micah predicts what the 'ruler' from Bethlehem would accomplish. In verse 6 Micah foretells that the 'ruler' would: "deliver us ( the Israelites ) from the ASSYRIAN." How could Jesus be the 'ruler', as he was born hundreds of years AFTER the Assyrians faded from history?
scout575
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The Deity of Christ
by RevFrank inthe watchtower society has mishandled rules of greek grammar and has manipulated the wording of numerous biblical passages that reveal the deity of christ.
john 1:10 - "...the world came into existence through him..." .
colossians 1:16 - "...all things have been created through him..." .
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Made in the Image of a Humourless GOD
by unclebruce inmade in the image of a humourless god
there are a number of references in the bible of man being made in the image of yhwh/jehovah and god said, let us make man in our image, after our likeness genesis 1:26 for a man indeed ought not to cover his head, forasmuch as he is the image and glory of god: but the woman is the glory of the man.1 corinthians 11:7. .
the only actual characteristics that can be attributed to the christian god jehovah can be found in the bible.
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Narkissos: Really? Whilst there may be 'comedies' in the Bible along with its 'tragedies' as in the Shakespearean sense, but just like Shakespeare's 'comedies' the Bible's 'comedies' don't have anything to raise an actual smile or a laugh, unless you know of any specific funny examples, of course?
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Made in the Image of a Humourless GOD
by unclebruce inmade in the image of a humourless god
there are a number of references in the bible of man being made in the image of yhwh/jehovah and god said, let us make man in our image, after our likeness genesis 1:26 for a man indeed ought not to cover his head, forasmuch as he is the image and glory of god: but the woman is the glory of the man.1 corinthians 11:7. .
the only actual characteristics that can be attributed to the christian god jehovah can be found in the bible.
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Slugga: Fair point. Whilst I don't expect the Bible to have jokes in it, I do find it ironic that a book that has so much to say about the human condition doesn't even ( inadvertantly ) manage to raise a smile. The human condition is in so many ways laughable, and yet the Bible ( even taking into consideration cultural differences between then and now ) doesn't raise even a SINGLE laugh.
Can you imagine if the Bible described Jesus as smiling or laughing, how Christians would latch onto that and say: "Look how lovely Jesus is." Of course, the Bible says no such thing.
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Made in the Image of a Humourless GOD
by unclebruce inmade in the image of a humourless god
there are a number of references in the bible of man being made in the image of yhwh/jehovah and god said, let us make man in our image, after our likeness genesis 1:26 for a man indeed ought not to cover his head, forasmuch as he is the image and glory of god: but the woman is the glory of the man.1 corinthians 11:7. .
the only actual characteristics that can be attributed to the christian god jehovah can be found in the bible.
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Unclebruce: It always struck me as amazing ( almost impossible even ) that you could have a book as long as the Bible and yet for it to contain absolutely nothing to even raise a smile, never mind a laugh. The only verse that I could ever find that approaches humour is Zechariah 11:13 where 'god' ironically refers to the meagre value placed by the Israelites ( 30 pieces of silver ) on Zechariah ( and by extension on 'god' himself ) as a "goodly price." Here we have divine sarcasm. Are you smiling Unclebruce? Forgive me if I don't.
Btw I couldn't read alot of your posting because it was truncated by the right hand side of my screen.
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Are you worshipping a false prophet?
by scout575 inat matthew 24:30 jesus predicts his second coming, saying that he would appear: "in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
" in verse 34 he goes on to say that: "this generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.
" jesus is prophesying that his second coming would occur during the lifetime of his contempories.
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Forscher: What indications does Jesus give at Matthew 24 to indicate that his prophecy was to have a dual fulfilment? Is it not simply a case of the 'second coming' prediction failing to be fulfilled within the lifetime of Jesus' contempories, and Christians later having to 'spin' away this failed prediction by saying that the 'second coming' aspect of the prophecy was never meant to be fulfilled in the first century but at a much later time period? Jesus ( or the writer who attributes the words of Matthew 24 to Jesus ) would have known all too well that the first readers of Matthew 24 would have understood these words to mean that Jesus would return within the lifetime of his contempories.
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Are you worshipping a false prophet?
by scout575 inat matthew 24:30 jesus predicts his second coming, saying that he would appear: "in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
" in verse 34 he goes on to say that: "this generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.
" jesus is prophesying that his second coming would occur during the lifetime of his contempories.
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At Matthew 24:30 Jesus predicts his second coming, saying that he would appear: "In the clouds of heaven with power and great glory." In verse 34 he goes on to say that: "THIS generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled." Jesus is prophesying that his second coming would occur during the lifetime of his contempories. How ironic that the man who spoke this false prophecy should have later been worshipped by so many people.
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How greedy is "greedy"?
by scout575 inat 1 corinthians 5:11 christians are commanded "not to keep company" and "not to eat" with a fellow believer who is "covetous" ( greedy - nwt ).
what signs of greediness in a fellow believer would make a christian obey this nt command and begin to "not keep company" and 'not eat' with his or her greedy, fellow christian?
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Notice that Paul lists greediness second in his list of 'disfellowshipping' offences, at 1 Corinthians 5:11. I wonder how many Christians have obeyed the Bible's command to shun a greedy fellow believer? How could a Christian possibly be sure that a fellow believer really was being greedy? Is it 3 chocolate bars a day? Or 5 doughnuts a day, maybe? Doesn't it appear that these 'inspired' words at 1 Corinthians 5:11 are somewhat LESS than practical? Not inspired of god at all, maybe?
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How greedy is "greedy"?
by scout575 inat 1 corinthians 5:11 christians are commanded "not to keep company" and "not to eat" with a fellow believer who is "covetous" ( greedy - nwt ).
what signs of greediness in a fellow believer would make a christian obey this nt command and begin to "not keep company" and 'not eat' with his or her greedy, fellow christian?
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At 1 Corinthians 5:11 Christians are commanded "not to keep company" and "not to eat" with a fellow believer who is "covetous" ( greedy - NWT ). What signs of greediness in a fellow believer would make a Christian obey this NT command and begin to "not keep company" and 'not eat' with his or her greedy, fellow Christian?
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I did it
by Shazard inand not i but god.
i got one jw out of the borg.
atleast today he admitted that borg is sect.
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Honesty: Its true the JWs have faith in the 'organization' ( which I did when I was a Witness ) but only in the sense of believing that it is the channel that god is using to help people understand the Bible. Any first century Christian would have had a similar faith in the first century organization, with its governing body in Jerusalem ( Acts 15 ). Of course, no Christian back then, and no JW today looks to that organization for salvation. Would a first century Christian have believed that he or she could turn their back on the first century Christian congregation and still have God's approval?
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Would you want Jesus as a friend?
by scout575 inwhilst christians like to portray jesus as the supreme example of love and mercy ( as opposed to a supposedly wicked 'watchtower god' ), does the bible's presentation of jesus cast him in quite the same flattering light that christians like to believe?
for instance, at revelation 19:15 jesus is described as 'smiting the nations and ruling them with a rod of iron and treading the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of almighty god.
' does jesus sound just as bad as the 'wicked watchtower god'?
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Honesty: You make my point for me. Just like the 'wicked Watchtower god' Jesus offers people a choice: Either they believe in him and do his bidding and so receive salvation, or they don't believe in him and don't do his bidding and so receive damnation. There is no difference between Jesus and the 'wicked Watchtower god'.