Posts by scout575

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Scriptures You Will Not Hear at the 23-07-06 Church Sermon

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"then that slave that understood the will of his master but did not get ready or do in line with his will will be beaten with many strokes.

but the one that did not understand and so did things deserving of strokes will be beaten with few.

" ( luke 12:47,48 ).

scout575

Perry: As I pointed out earlier, the NT is quite happy to issue prohibitions when it wants to, ie:

1 - Meats offered to idols ( Acts 15:29 )

2 - Blood ( Acts 15:29 )

3 - Things strangled ( Acts 15:29 )

4 - Fornication ( Acts 15:29 )

5 - Divorce ( except on the ground of fornication - Matthew 19:9 )

6 - Lying ( Ephesians 4:25 )

7 - Stealing ( Ephesians 4:28 )

8 - Talking about fornication ( Ephesians 5:3 )

9 - Talking about uncleanness ( Ephesians 5:3 )

10 - Foolish talking - ( Ephesians 5:4 )

11 - Fellowship with darkness - ( Ephesians 5:11 )

These are just a few of the NT prohibitions that I came across in about 5 minutes of looking - there are lots and lots more. What a shame that there's no prohibition on enslaving.

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Scriptures You Will Not Hear at the 23-07-06 Church Sermon

by scout575 in

"then that slave that understood the will of his master but did not get ready or do in line with his will will be beaten with many strokes.

but the one that did not understand and so did things deserving of strokes will be beaten with few.

" ( luke 12:47,48 ).

Perry: At Ephesians 6:9, Paul addresses Christian slave owners, saying: "Also, you MASTERS, keep doing the same things to them ( their slaves-verses 6-8 ), letting up on the threatening...." What an ideal opportunity this would have been for Paul to condemn and prohibit slavery, and yet he clearly fails to do that, merely telling Christian slave owners not to be too hard on their slaves.

Had he have prohibited slavery, what a difference it would have made to the course of history within Christendom - how much suffering could have been prevented. How ironic that a book that is no slouch when it comes to condemning and prohibiting things, even prohibiting eating blood and things strangled ( Acts 15:29 ), should fail to condemn and prohibit slavery. What a difference just four words could have made: "Thou shalt not enslave." Sadly, those words are not to be found in the NT - just what you'd expect from a man-inspired work written 2000 years ago.

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Scriptures You Will Not Hear at the 23-07-06 Church Sermon

by scout575 in

"then that slave that understood the will of his master but did not get ready or do in line with his will will be beaten with many strokes.

but the one that did not understand and so did things deserving of strokes will be beaten with few.

" ( luke 12:47,48 ).

scout575

Gordy: That rendering of, 'Slavetraders' is not to be found in the translations that I have. Their renderings are, 'Menstealers' or, 'Kidnappers'.

Does the NT prohibit Christians from buying, owning and selling slaves? Absolutely not. It does provide instruction to Christian masters about how to treat their slaves ( Ephesians 6:9 ), but does not instruct Christian slave owners to give their slaves their freedom. It is little wonder that Christians continued to own slaves up until a few hundred years ago when slavery was abolished. It took legislators to prohibit slavery, not the 'cuddly' NT.

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Scriptures You Will Not Hear at the 23-07-06 Church Sermon

by scout575 in

"then that slave that understood the will of his master but did not get ready or do in line with his will will be beaten with many strokes.

but the one that did not understand and so did things deserving of strokes will be beaten with few.

" ( luke 12:47,48 ).

scout575

"Then that SLAVE that understood the will of his MASTER but did not get ready or do in line with his will will be beaten with many strokes. But the one that did not understand and so did things deserving of strokes will be beaten with few." ( Luke 12:47,48 )

"Who of you is there that has a SLAVE plowing or minding the flock who will say to him when he gets in from the field, 'Come here at once and recline at the table'? Rather will he not say to him, 'Get something ready for me to have my evening meal, and put on an apron and minister to me until I am through eating and drinking, and afterwards you can eat and drink'? He will not feel gratitude to the SLAVE because he did the things, will he?" ( Luke 17:7-9 )

"You see I was in fear of you, because you are a harsh man; you take up what you did not deposit and you reap what you did not sow. He said to him, 'Out of your own mouth I judge you, wicked SLAVE.' ( Luke 19:21,22 )

Although the NT condemns and prohibits many things, nowhere does it condemn or prohibit the buying, owning and selling of slaves. What a shame.

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"So Alone"

by scout575 in

"my dad died when i was 13, and my closest cousin got raped and stabbed and burned when i was 15. i am an only child so she was the closest thing i had to a sister.

i felt so alone too.

no one in the churches i attended seemed to care.

scout575

Oops, sorry about the initial blankness of the post, but its absolutely baking hot here in England and the sun has fried me ( already somewhat limited ) brains.

Looks like there's more concern on this site than there was in the above poster's churches.

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"So Alone"

by scout575 in

"my dad died when i was 13, and my closest cousin got raped and stabbed and burned when i was 15. i am an only child so she was the closest thing i had to a sister.

i felt so alone too.

no one in the churches i attended seemed to care.

scout575

"My dad died when I was 13, and my closest cousin got raped and stabbed and burned when I was 15. I am an only child so she was the closest thing I had to a sister. I felt so alone too. No one in the churches I attended seemed to care. That "Christian love" was totally absent. I wanted a male role model so badly in high school, and no one seemed to have the time for me." This post is taken from the section entitled, 'Testimonies of former Christians' on the ex.Christian.net message board. Its post #8 in a thread entitled, 'The god who let me down time and time again. The poster's name is Pandora. If you're an exiting JW thinking about joining a different church, please become familiar with the perspectives of former Christians.

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Scriptures You Will Not Hear at the 16-07-06 Church Sermon

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"for the man is not of the woman: but the woman of the man.

neither was the man created for the woman; but the woman for the man.

" ( 1 corinthians 11:8,9 ).

scout575

"For the man is not of the woman: but the woman of the man. Neither was the man created for the woman; but the woman for the man." ( 1 Corinthians 11:8,9 )

"Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law. And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church." ( 1 Corinthians 14:34,35 )

"Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be subject to their own husbands in every thing." ( Ephesians 5:24 )

Inspired of man.

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"My Apostate Brother"

by scout575 in

"i was put up against a wall the last years of my life, always depressed, hopeless and miserable.

even though i was married and had a family i was alone, no one to confide in, no one to turn to, always in fear that my doubt would be discovered and i would become an outcast ( more so ).

i was lucky enough to have my apostate brother refer me to this site.

scout575

Sad emo: Thanks for your balanced evaluation of ex-Christian.net. The ex-Christian reasons for leaving are similar to ex-JW reasons for leaving. Some leave for thoroughly researched academic reasons, whilst others leave because they are utterly miserable.

Both reasons justify leaving Christianity because if it really is inspired of an almighty God, has an almighty God's backing, his holy spirit flowing freely upon his worshippers etc, then none of its adherents would be plagued with doubts, or be living a life of misery. The fact that so many Christians are ( including JWs ), argues strongly against the divine authorship of Christianity. It has, 'man-made' written all over it.

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Scriptures You Will Not Hear at the 09-07-06 Church Sermon.

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"but now i have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.

" ( 1 corinthians 5:11 ) .

"a man that is an heretick after the first and second admonition reject.

scout575

Deputy Dog: My reason for posting on this site is not to go into the various interpretational and methodological differences between JWs and other Christian churches. That is of no interest to me these days. My reason for posting is to try to help JW lurkers to no longer remain under the spell of the Bible.

We all know about the regret that many ex-JWs feel about having been in the 'truth'; and of those that I've come across who have remained religious, most have joined evangelical/charismatic churches. Having become familiar with the sentiments of many ex-Christians, I see the same sense of deep regret about having been an evangelical/charismatic Christian, as I see among many ex-JWs.

Having been a JW for many years and having disassociated myself only last September, I retain a deep fondness for my 'old comrades', and don't want to see exiting Witnesses join another church whereby they will remain in thrall to the Bible, and very likely spend years as an evangelical Christian, only to later leave and feel the same sense of regret ( or even more so because of having made the same mistake twice ), that they felt upon becoming disillusioned with JWs. I am convinced that JW lurkers should 'bite the bullet', and leave the organization, but without joining another Bible-based organization.

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"My Apostate Brother"

by scout575 in

"i was put up against a wall the last years of my life, always depressed, hopeless and miserable.

even though i was married and had a family i was alone, no one to confide in, no one to turn to, always in fear that my doubt would be discovered and i would become an outcast ( more so ).

i was lucky enough to have my apostate brother refer me to this site.

scout575

Moomanchu: According to Paul and Peter, anyone who doesn't meet God's conditions, will be destroyed ( 2 Thess 1:7-9; Acts 3:23 ). This NT portrayal of God makes 'him' the ultimate 'shunner', and the ultimate withholder of unconditional love.