hellllllllllo all :)
so anyone from any denver congregations?
i was in the bear valley cong.
CG,
I remember vaguely the Holts.
You remember the Duckworths, Bill, Alice, David or Cindy Bebee, David Mahaffey, Bradshaws, (Ted or Edsel or Mike), ??? Joe Aquino?
The Simonsons from Lakewood? (Don, Cherry, Camille?)
Anything notable about the Bumgartners?
Brant
hellllllllllo all :)
so anyone from any denver congregations?
i was in the bear valley cong.
Went to Cherry Creek Cong in the 60's.
Was in prison in the late 60's with an Eddie James, Gary Bumgardener, and Tom Vodopich of Colorado, (Aurora, Lakesomething and Canon City.
Brant
ok, so the may 1st wt says that elders aren't to question anyone who partakes.
but many of you have posted that they are about to rule change about the 144k... haven't they already changed the dogma if elders can't question... doesn't that mean anyone can partake?
so what changes are going to occur that are more shocking then the generation of 1935 thing and whatnot?.
They view the number 144,000 as still a literal number, but... at the annual meeting they said that they were imperfect and sometimes incorrect in their understanding (world's greatest understatement) and the comment was made as they were discussing the 144,000. My take is that they are going to change their viewpoint on the literalness of the number and call it new light.
They have to infuse the r and f with something to get everyone back on track again.
Ray Franz took the view 20 years ago that al of JW's were probably of the anointed. Maybe they are finally headed that route.
Brant
for a tourist that intends to visit the usa and engage in travelling around and sightseeing, what places in that country would you advise will be a waste of time to visit?
Possum Grape, Arkansas
Hell, Michigan
Gila Bend, Arizona
i just got a call from an elder from my old kh, i have not been to meeitngs since april 2007. i recently took my daughter to thier first b-day party, (their cousin), anyways, they want to ask if i celebrate b-day now.
i told them i'd speak with them later.
so, since i ahve been inactive since april can they df me?????
Package,
you sound like you don't want to get the df. I can understand with family connections and all. But, the rewards of being out of the elders sphere of influence and investigation is totally rewarding.
If they want to discuss birthdays, I would simply ask them what Bible verses specifically condemn birthdays.
Since there are none, tell them that you are having a difficult time understanding their reasoning, and it has left you very perplexed why they would make such a big deal out of a non-Biblical issue.
If it gets nasty, tell them you thought there had been a change, since the WT Society celebrated the 50th Birthday of the United Nations.
Best of all good things to you.
Brant
breakthrough!.
i spoke to my jw mum about the new watchtower study magazine and how in the first issue there is a change in "light" regarding the anointed.. she was floored and totally accepted that if they started to accept new anointed ones (non-replacements) that it *could* indicate that the society are extending the time once again regarding the coming of armageddon.
the idea is that if they accept new anointed ones, then they could be fairly young, hence they could still be around for a lot more years!.
The best new explanantion that I have seen is in the report on the "Annual Meeting" by QUANDRY. (SEE TODAYS NEW POSTS)
Here is what quandry reported:
2007 ANNUAL MEETING NOTES
Saturday October 06, 2007
Year text for 2008: Exodus 14:13 "Stand Firm and See the Salvation of Jehovah."
The opening talk by Brother Gerrit Lösch (GB) gave a brief bit of history of early organization and point emphasized was that Jesus Christ trusted the Faithful and Discreet Slave to carry on the dispensing of Bible truths and so should we.
Point made that charter of WTB&TS of Pennsylvania was to disseminate Bible truths. Faithful and Discreet Slave are not inspired so they are going to err. John 16:12 Jesus said process would be gradual. The first of Faithful and Discreet Slave did not know how many would make up the group until 96 CE. Work being done well without knowing that. Adjustments will be necessary but that does not mean that slave is not the means Jehovah is using. We are in a time of greater increasing of light the unveiling of which is gradual.
Country reports and invitation work experiences.
Geoff Jackson gave the talk on the year text. He asked “Are you ready for Jehovah’s Day?” He said this year’s text from Zechariah got us focused on fact we are living in the final part of the last days. This time is different in three ways.
Scope Jeremiah 25:31& 33.
Intensity Daniel 12:1.
Effectiveness 2Peter 3:10 & 12 and 1John 2:17.
Earth is mankind alienated from God
Heat is Jehovah’s anger
Hissing noises indicates speed, a rapid passing.
Jesus made comparison between Faithful and Discreet Slave and evil slave.
Apostates complain we are too eager. Glad we are eager for Jehovah’s rule even if we are wrong once in awhile. We are not sure of all the details but we know Jehovah is with us. Used illustration of the Israelites leaving Egypt. Went right to edge of promised land and Jah made them back track and camp. They seemed trapped at the Red Sea. From a human standpoint there was no way out. That is when He totally brought Pharaoh to his knees. At the time it made no sense to Israel but Jehovah knew exactly what he was doing.
We have Jehovah’s Day right ahead of us which teaches us four lessons.
Jehovah ready for any trial and problem.
Must obey regardless what is asked of us. We are so limited in perspective. Jah knows the whole picture. We can have total confidence.
Brother John Barr (GB) spoke on the illustrations Jesus used regarding the Kingdom (mustard grain, dragnet, etc.) Very detailed. We are to be busy in the work sowing our seed and we are to get the sense of Jesus illustrations.
Theodore Jarcz (GB) spoke Christ’s Presence and End of System
He used the illustration of a talk. The conclusion covers a period of time. The speaker sums up or draws audience to a decision or the like. Takes time. The end is when he walks off the platform.
Jesus presence includes taking power in 1914, dealing with opposers; all the features of the last days
including the ingathering of the chosen ones their deaths and resurrection. This means an extended period of time. Up to and including fulfillment of Revelation. Spiritual discernment necessary to be bright and clear to us which it is. Those without spiritual knowledge do not see the significance. WE DO! Some anointed will be alive when the tribulation begins. First vision in Revelation. 1914 until last of anointed dies and is resurrected.
Be resolved to be more urgent to keep on the watch. Prove ourselves ready for Jehovah, Jesus and our own welfare.
The "generation" is all the anointed as a class from 33 CE to the end of the world. In the context of Matt. 24:34 was Jesus talking to his followers. Other instances of generation often had clarifiers, such as "wicked generation", etc.
Bro. Barr stopped and said, "By the way, you'll be happy to know that there will be anointed on earth at the time of Armageddon".
DRAGNET: ALL the fish were thrown on the shore. Don't get excited about the large numbers at the Memorial. Maybe these are not all good fish.
MUSTARD SEED: Sows seed and then goes to bed. Remember, we sow the seed, Jehovah looks after it. Our role is to be regular in the service and to sow that seed.
LEAVEN hid in the dough. What made it rise? Jehovah did it.
At the beginning Brother Losch said, "We of the Governing body have not always had the right understanding. The Gov. Body is not inspired and neither are the publications. It is the Holy Spirit that helps us to find the correct understanding".
Starting February 2008 elders will be invited to attend The School for Congregation Elders. It will be a five day course and they will start with the Presiding Overseers first then work through the others. Will start with the English field.
Total in attendance at NY Bethels, Canada Bethel and New Jersey Assembly Hall was 14,937. I have outlined the answer to your question in yellow. Finally, an explanation of what the generation is. 12 years!!!!! after the change. Brant
i received my copy of barbara andersons cd paedophilia in an american religion a month or two ago, and i have been reading through it since.. what follows, although i have called this a review, is in no sense a scholarly consideration of the legal merits of the cases described, a task for which i am wholly unqualified.
these are, rather, my subjective reflections on the material presented, the impressions i gathered while reading the legal filings, my untrained, common-man appraisal of the cases laid out in those documents.
ill also admit to being swayed by tone of voice adopted, and to using my own common-sense yardstick in determining the reasonableness of the statements made, the responses given and the arguments put forward.
Thank you Captain Queeg,
I think I will have a bowl of that STRAWBERRY ICE CREAM, of course with some chocolate cake.
Brant
danny you have been fearless in your exposing jws for the cult they are and the harm they have done and are doing.
keep up the good work.
but please be careful in what you do as this board and recovering xjws need people like you who are fearless in exposing the wt.
Meanwhile, back at the ranch..................
I have long appreciated the 'fight' that Danny has waged with the giant oppressor. Danny is a hero to some of us, me for one.
I don't know all of the circumstances surrounding the event, and I doubt if any of us know, but I went in service for 45 years, and if there was a DNC or a sign "No Trespassing", I took it seriously. The WT instructions were that if we went ahead to a door that had those signs, we would be on our own.
Does anyone really think that those guys did not know what they were doing when they called there? Danny's house has to be the most identified and hated place in their territory.
I do agree with many on the board that have encouraged all of us to "let the anger go". It would be nice to do that, if we could.
Some have called this an "atrocity". That is quite a bit of an overstatement. I would call it an unfortunate incident. I wouldn't do it, but I will let Danny and the courts figure this one out.
I am not going to try him on the internet.
Brant
why are we not all getting together as a group and get back at the borg for what they have done to us?
"there is strength in numbers" and definitely enough of us.
we have all suffered in similar ways, some more than others.
Sweetface,
If you are so "over it" why in the F@#k are you still here, on an 'apostate' site.
Lead by example, otherwise you are a hypocrite.
Brant
the awake magazines are down to once a month.
the new releases are now down to one book.. there are several "special campaigns" of offering leaflets- invitations to the memorial or dc and kingdom news.. here are some of the additional possible cost-saving measures.
please add to the list:.
My suggestion is that they should drink their own damn Kool-aid.
Brant
