Since the WTS speaks so beamingly about ,and quotes never endingly Solomons writings, we should consider it possible that ,since Solomon died apparently as an apostate that perhaps Ray Franz and we too may get everlasting life and he may even be quoted one day. This would be consistant would'nt it? What say Ye?
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Hope for uz apostates
by wozadummy insince the wts speaks so beamingly about ,and quotes never endingly solomons writings, we should consider it possible that ,since solomon died apparently as an apostate that perhaps ray franz and we too may get everlasting life and he may even be quoted one day.
this would be consistant would'nt it?
what say ye?
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Worst platform jokes
by Fleshybirdfodder inremember those jokes we heard time and time again from the platform yet still everyone got a good (fake) chuckle?
i remember hearing this one a million times: "a pioneer was stressing about which vehicle to buy for service, but remember, jesus said '"follow in my footsteps, not my tire tracks!!!
fbf.
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wozadummy
Man they were great and I'd heard some before. Here's my contribution.... An elder giving the talk on HOSPITALITY and near the end would always quip 'Thank you for your HORSEBRUTALITY brothers!" Much to the uncomfortable subdued embarrassed guffawing from the audience.
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Inconsistency of 2 Witness rule
by wozadummy ini want to put this out for comment and also direct this to lurker jw's as something to think about.
witnesses have the 2 witness rule to prove whether a jw pedophile,molester,drunkard beater etc is guilty or not.
this protects the perpetrator by the perp simply saying to themself that they have sought gods forgiveness personally ,so they reason in their minds it's ok to lie about their guilt to the elders and therefore they get off the hook.
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wozadummy
Another related problem with my new wifes case of being molested is this... her father was brought before a judicial committee and pleaded innocence and still does to this day ,and we have many times over the years tried to get the society to act to no avail. We were sent a letter from the society saying they cannot do anything further and to leave it to Jehovah etc. BUT THE MAIN POINT THAT GRIPES ME IN THE LETTER IS THEY SAY THAT THE MATTER WAS FULLY INVESTIGATED BY THE ELDERS.......THIS AN OUTRIGHT LIE FOR THEY NEVER QUESTIONED ANY OF HER BROTHERS AND SISTERS AS TO WHETHER IT HAD HAPPENED TO THEM. One can only assume this is normal Watchtower policy that all they do is ask the perpetrator if he/she has done this or that and take no further action if the perp denies it!!
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Inconsistency of 2 Witness rule
by wozadummy ini want to put this out for comment and also direct this to lurker jw's as something to think about.
witnesses have the 2 witness rule to prove whether a jw pedophile,molester,drunkard beater etc is guilty or not.
this protects the perpetrator by the perp simply saying to themself that they have sought gods forgiveness personally ,so they reason in their minds it's ok to lie about their guilt to the elders and therefore they get off the hook.
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wozadummy
Another point to add is, when I used to attend meetings, I asked two elders visiting my new wife in my home "What iff my wifes father (who molested her for years) was convicted by a court and sent to jail ,and still maintained his innocence, would you disfellowship him because a court convicted him or would you still allow him to continue in his old congregation when he is released with minimum restrictions?" They took their time in answering and had to admit they would allow him back and not act at all judicially against him for there was no witnesses to his molesting! Of course noone would be warned of his behaviour and what he went to jail for.
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Great place for truth ABONDONED that must be some sort of record ....all those posts in a short time...whew!
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Inconsistency of 2 Witness rule
by wozadummy ini want to put this out for comment and also direct this to lurker jw's as something to think about.
witnesses have the 2 witness rule to prove whether a jw pedophile,molester,drunkard beater etc is guilty or not.
this protects the perpetrator by the perp simply saying to themself that they have sought gods forgiveness personally ,so they reason in their minds it's ok to lie about their guilt to the elders and therefore they get off the hook.
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On the way out Well the problem I have here is not that she confessed ,it's the fact that only one person went to see her and it is the testimony of ONLY that person to the congregation that he witnessed what he did and it is ONLY his testament that says she wanted to DA that is inconsistent. It could be argued that she herself is a witness in the sense because of her apparent confession. We only have his word to go on here as regards the protection of the congregation. What if he pitied my circumstances so much that he fibbed abit to get her announced as removed from the congo, she would'nt know for she had no contact with other witnesses anymore? I guess this can happen and it played on my mind a bit over the years whether I had really been freed up scriptually to remarry from Gods standpoint.Does this make it clearer?
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Can someone post quotes on Jesus only being mediator for 144000?
by megsmomma inpleeeeaaaaasssseeee?????
pretty please????.
i tried to get the cd-rom download, but it didn't work for me....any tips?.
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Auld soul Moses was the mediator for mankind in general, for any who chose to enter into that mediated relationship. Jesus is the mediator for mankind in general, for any who choose to enter into that mediated relationship. According to the Bible, anyway. Good point ,the "mixed "company that left Egypt was inclusive of Egyptians too not just Hebrews, they partook of Moses leadership and were blessed the same when going to the promised land
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Inconsistency of 2 Witness rule
by wozadummy ini want to put this out for comment and also direct this to lurker jw's as something to think about.
witnesses have the 2 witness rule to prove whether a jw pedophile,molester,drunkard beater etc is guilty or not.
this protects the perpetrator by the perp simply saying to themself that they have sought gods forgiveness personally ,so they reason in their minds it's ok to lie about their guilt to the elders and therefore they get off the hook.
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I want to put this out for comment and also direct this to lurker JW's as something to think about. Witnesses have the 2 witness rule to prove whether a JW pedophile,molester,drunkard beater etc is guilty or not. This protects the perpetrator by the perp simply saying to themself that they have sought Gods forgiveness personally ,so they reason in their minds it's ok to lie about their guilt to the elders and therefore they get off the hook. Well how is it that if ,say ,a man cheats on his wife and she is suspicious she calls on a elder to say she suspects her husband of adultery and his car will be parked at a certain womans address ,and it turns out the car is there all night, this is enough evidence to DF him for adultery. There is no consistency with the 2 witness rule especially if only one elder is witness to this and yet judicial commitees can start over this and perhaps a DF'ing. Let me provide a real life experience that I know is true because it happened to me. My first wife commited adultery just before she became a pioneer and kept it a secret from me for two years. When she told me we contacted an elder and he ALONE came and counselled her and told me no action would be taken against her for she had proven by her full on witnessing work that she was genuinely repentant, but as far as I know he did inform at least some of the elder body. Fast forward 5 years and she announces she's leaving me and the kids and moves into a unit on her own as far as I knew. My daughter stays some nights with her and I continue to pick her up for meetings,and then my daughter says to me that her mother has a male freind and also I should consider getting an AIDS blood test .Well this blew me away especially coming from a 13 year old! Some time had past since she had left us so I passed on this info about the other man to the same elder mentioned before who was the congregation overseer and urged him to go and catch her out as I was tired of the witness rule being unable to remarry for there was no proof of my exwifes infidelity unless the elders had proof. So off the elder goes on HIS OWN to see her and she DA's herself on the spot(I guess she admitted to adultery but I don't know for sure, but i was permitted to remarry). Well this releases me from the marraige according to the Watchtower ,but this is inconsistant is'nt it...a molested child needs 2 witnesses to disgusting events but an adulterer only needs ONE according to this real life experience! Are there other people who have noticed this inconsistency as well by their experiences?
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2006 SERVICE REPORT - Feb 1, 2007 WT
by Mary ini'm not sure if anyone's posted this yet, but here are the figures for the 2006 service report.
i highlighted the countries that have either a "0" or negative growth in yellow and i highlighted key countries where the you would expect more growth......i tried looking for england's stats, but i couldn't see it.
i looked under "england" and "united kingdom" but i can't see it.
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Oh poop I tried hard to get it right this time
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2006 SERVICE REPORT - Feb 1, 2007 WT
by Mary ini'm not sure if anyone's posted this yet, but here are the figures for the 2006 service report.
i highlighted the countries that have either a "0" or negative growth in yellow and i highlighted key countries where the you would expect more growth......i tried looking for england's stats, but i couldn't see it.
i looked under "england" and "united kingdom" but i can't see it.
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Poland is interesting,more gone than was baptised! What has happened to Japan ,I remember for years the huge growth and at circuit or district assemlies we would have the guilt dumped on us about the massive quantity of Pioneers there and lines like this...."No brothers it's NOT why you should pioneer, but it's what reason have you got for NOT pioneering?!" And what's this increase of over 200 more annointed? there must be alot naughty geriatrics partying too hard and needing to get replaced