Posts by wozadummy

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The Governing Body and the Anointed

by greendawn in

according to jw theory all those taking the memorial emblems are part of the body of christ and therefore should participate in the status and functions of the anointed.

if we are to say that some of these "anointed" are just fruitcakes or spiritually immature, what about all the rest?

why are they so invisible, nowhere heard or seen contributing to these anointed functions?

wozadummy

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The Governing Body and the Anointed

by greendawn in

according to jw theory all those taking the memorial emblems are part of the body of christ and therefore should participate in the status and functions of the anointed.

if we are to say that some of these "anointed" are just fruitcakes or spiritually immature, what about all the rest?

why are they so invisible, nowhere heard or seen contributing to these anointed functions?

That word "collectively" is important for just taking individuals and critisizing one of that GB would not neccessarily paint the rest the same ,but what does is the effect of their cummulative power as expressed thru the org and it's teachings and subsequent dealings with the R&F .

Sincere as they may seem individually ,the effect is what matters on peoples lives, like the policy of dealing with pedophiles has greatly affected me and my wife personally and I can't see how Jesus could ever forgive their cruelty.

As for Franz ,well of course he could have feigned humility as this would be expected in public would'nt it ,what sort of fool would he be - he's not a politician after all.

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The Governing Body and the Anointed

by greendawn in

according to jw theory all those taking the memorial emblems are part of the body of christ and therefore should participate in the status and functions of the anointed.

if we are to say that some of these "anointed" are just fruitcakes or spiritually immature, what about all the rest?

why are they so invisible, nowhere heard or seen contributing to these anointed functions?

wozadummy

I think another thing follows from this ,that Jehovah has annointed them all with his holy spirit ,supposedly ,and yet to human eyes they don't have any more special qualities than the next person.

Admittedly alot would be old and have years of christian habits giving them good and unhypocritical natures but many "worldly" older people have the same, because of holding on to old world principles.

Look into a crowd at an assembly and you can't pick the annointed one even if you observe a group of people for a while. So ,as the GB would have us believe, only Jehovah sees the qualities needed to have him appoint a person to part of the bride of Christ ,we are left to again believe the unseen ,yet this time it is in material people not like for instance the "invisible" coming of Christ in 1914.

And yet today we have more and more younger people becoming annointed and they don't have any special visible qualities that make them outstanding. I've known of a couple who would be in their 60's and have claimed to be of the annointed as long as I have known of them ,and they are self righteous and arrogant ,surely not qualities god wants ,and yet I've known older other sheep that have a long record of humbleness.

It' obvious to me that the GB won't give any special recognition to the rest of the annointed for they could come forward and point out errors in the GB's interpretation of scripture and say they have been inspired by Jehovah also which would leave the GB in a predicament would'nt it? So if they are kept in the background they do not then present a threat to the GB.

If they make themselves exclusive they make it hard for any other annointed to crack into their power group and therefore gain complete control by intimating that the rest of the annointed are proving their annointing by humbly being quiet as a group - very clever

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Australian Bethel Visit - I have to get this off my chest

by wozadummy in

i was baptized in adelaide south australia in 1983 and around this time my first wife and i , along with our small children decided to go to the bethel in sydney new south wales as part of our holiday one summer.

we camped along the way as we travelled the coast road from adelaide and had a really interesting time and when we got to sydney we decided to stay at a caravan camping ground right near bethel ,so we did not have to travell far the next day for our visit there.. when we pulled in to the park and went to register at the office the two people in charge seemed to be very strained and distant when we spoke to them .we setup our tent and unpacked to settle in for dinner and on the way to the shower block i spoke to someone there for a few minutes and remarked that the people who ran this park did'nt seem too freindly.

he then pointed out why, that day a man had killed one of his family and everyone felt nervous and upset because of this .. of course i jumped into witness mode as i was full of "the spirit" not being long baptised ,but just got a blank stare and i knew i should not persue this any more - i feel so stupid now but i'm sure some here can relate to this blind faith enthusiasm as a chance to witness to the great god of the printing presses and think we can help heal all the troubles of the world!.

wozadummy

Hi Rose Petal and welcome to JWD I'd forgotten about that beautiful timber and wondered myself about it when I saw it. Our kids were fairly small then too and we were worried they might play up when there but I think they were just a bit frightened of the place.

We lived on the northside of Brisbane for a few years around Caboolture so maybe we have met. Anyhow welcome and enjoy your enlightenment here!

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What a woman REALLY means!!

by crazyblondeb in

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friends

i will be very honest and say, "i currently do all of these things"!!

) fine: this is the word women use to end an argument when they are.

right and you need to shut up.. .

wozadummy

Ah this is what makes women so alluring ,imagine if women were'nt like this we'd all be watching football or be gay!

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Australian Bethel Visit - I have to get this off my chest

by wozadummy in

i was baptized in adelaide south australia in 1983 and around this time my first wife and i , along with our small children decided to go to the bethel in sydney new south wales as part of our holiday one summer.

we camped along the way as we travelled the coast road from adelaide and had a really interesting time and when we got to sydney we decided to stay at a caravan camping ground right near bethel ,so we did not have to travell far the next day for our visit there.. when we pulled in to the park and went to register at the office the two people in charge seemed to be very strained and distant when we spoke to them .we setup our tent and unpacked to settle in for dinner and on the way to the shower block i spoke to someone there for a few minutes and remarked that the people who ran this park did'nt seem too freindly.

he then pointed out why, that day a man had killed one of his family and everyone felt nervous and upset because of this .. of course i jumped into witness mode as i was full of "the spirit" not being long baptised ,but just got a blank stare and i knew i should not persue this any more - i feel so stupid now but i'm sure some here can relate to this blind faith enthusiasm as a chance to witness to the great god of the printing presses and think we can help heal all the troubles of the world!.

wozadummy

Thanks for all the replies, it was encouraging to hear others feelings are similar to mine and I am following new boys threads with interest and that is what probably prompted me to talk about my experience at a Bethel.

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April 1, 2007 Craptower---All About Obeying 'The Slave'

by Mary in

i've just been looking through the latest garbage literature in the above mentioned wt.

both study articles are on obeying the governing body, although the second article is more on obeying the elders.

losing your grip there a little bit fellows?

wozadummy

Mary said,

Par. 12 is moving in an obvious direction. To say that the WTS doesn't believe in the Trinity, the lines between obeying Christ and obeying the "Slave" are becoming more blurred all the time: "....Therefore, when we loyally submit to the direction of the faithful slaveand it's Governing Body, we are submitting to Christ......Our showing due respect for the instrument Christ is using.....is one way in which we openly acknowledge that Jesus Christ is Lord to the glory of God the Father."---Philippians 2:11 (Funny, when you read Phil 2:11, there's absolutely no mention there about obeying any "slave")

How is it that people "loyally submit to the direction of the faithful slaveand it's Governining body" ? They are here giving a distinction between two groups ,even iff the GB is part of the faithful slave this submitting to the faithful slave is a lie for perhaps half of them are women and have no rights as overseers and the other half are men and not all are capable of being elders or choose not to or are too old! AND WHEN ARE THE MEN AND WOMEN OF THIS FAITHFULL SLAVE EVER CONSULTED BY THE GOVERNING BODY AS TO HOW THE BIBLE IS TO BE INTERPRETTED? If one of them took exception to what the GB says ,and persisted ,they would be disfellowshipped in their congregation by Elders who are not evenpart of this faithfull slave and who are sheep following the faithfull slave .That's like the sheep attacking the shepherd and killing him because they did'nt like the commands that came from the shepherds mouth!

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Australian Bethel Visit - I have to get this off my chest

by wozadummy in

i was baptized in adelaide south australia in 1983 and around this time my first wife and i , along with our small children decided to go to the bethel in sydney new south wales as part of our holiday one summer.

we camped along the way as we travelled the coast road from adelaide and had a really interesting time and when we got to sydney we decided to stay at a caravan camping ground right near bethel ,so we did not have to travell far the next day for our visit there.. when we pulled in to the park and went to register at the office the two people in charge seemed to be very strained and distant when we spoke to them .we setup our tent and unpacked to settle in for dinner and on the way to the shower block i spoke to someone there for a few minutes and remarked that the people who ran this park did'nt seem too freindly.

he then pointed out why, that day a man had killed one of his family and everyone felt nervous and upset because of this .. of course i jumped into witness mode as i was full of "the spirit" not being long baptised ,but just got a blank stare and i knew i should not persue this any more - i feel so stupid now but i'm sure some here can relate to this blind faith enthusiasm as a chance to witness to the great god of the printing presses and think we can help heal all the troubles of the world!.

wozadummy

I was baptized in Adelaide South Australia in 1983 and around this time my first wife and I , along with our small children decided to go to the Bethel in Sydney New South Wales as part of our holiday one summer. We camped along the way as we travelled the coast road from Adelaide and had a really interesting time and when we got to Sydney we decided to stay at a caravan camping ground right near Bethel ,so we did not have to travell far the next day for our visit there.

When we pulled in to the park and went to register at the office the two people in charge seemed to be very strained and distant when we spoke to them .We setup our tent and unpacked to settle in for dinner and on the way to the shower block I spoke to someone there for a few minutes and remarked that the people who ran this park did'nt seem too freindly. He then pointed out why, that day a man had killed one of his family and everyone felt nervous and upset because of this .

Of course I jumped into Witness mode as I was full of "the Spirit" not being long baptised ,but just got a blank stare and I knew I should not persue this any more - I feel so stupid now but I'm sure some here can relate to this blind faith enthusiasm as a chance to witness to the great god of the printing presses and think we can help heal all the troubles of the world!

This is the first part of a two fold experience because this was an upsetting experience and what followed the next day proved to be a disturbing experience too.

Remember this next day we were all going to Bethel on what was supposed to be an uplifting pilgrimage ,if you will, but what happened at Bethel the next day haunted me the rest of my witness days and even now, though now I probably understand more as to why I felt disturbed for all those years.

In the morning we got up and showered and dressed in our witness clothes and I was disturbed by what had happened at the park the day before ,but here we were going to gods house and we had extra reason to be glad to be witnesses did'nt we? All feelings of depression would disappear now as we were going to the holy Bethel and life is good right?

Wrong ,from the outset when we met the girl to guide us I had this terrible feeling of darkness,depression, overbearing weight closing in on me while the half awake guide told us about this and that . "And this is the MEPS computer for enabling gods people to translate for our literature much quicker blah blah.." and all I could see was piles of half openened boxes of computer gear lying untidily on the floor thru a window of a passageway with no lights ,and it certainly did'nt look like the brothers were enthusiastically putting all this brilliant software that the brothers had written and the business world was clamouring to get hold of to good use - no - all the hype we were told about it came crashing down in a heap at that moment and left me a bit perplexed. But we moved on and looked about and were invited to have a meal with Bethel family and it just felt cold ,and business like but without any smiles and getting complascent looks over the tables at us as if they were enduring us there.

I remember saying to my wife how I felt really uncomfortable there and could'nt wait to get back to our camp ,and that even in the Navy I had'nt felt that oppressive feeling of authoritarian pressure and judgemental weight and un happiness from the people there. Rather than feeling refreshed by being there , I felt worse now compounding the terrible news of what had happened the day before at the park .Things like this which should have served as a warning as to what I'd got myself into in that religion but I was to an extent already trained in thought to dismiss these gut feelings and reason it away as though it was actually me who had the problem.

All the time I was a witness thereafter I would never look forward to a CO or DO visit and would avoid any responsibilities as far as a MS could do because I could feel that feeling at Bethel always come back to haunt me ,I just felt there was always something wrong here. I did of course talk to them and over the years and witness with them, some CO's and DO's would even seek my advice on circuit and congregational issues for they would,nt get much help from some of the dickheads running the congos for they never shepherded and were completely out of touch with the needs of people. Well that's it ,did anyone else feel these things when visiting or staying at a Bethel? The murder at the park was a bad experience but it did not affect me as much as what happened at Bethel, I just mentioned the murder to contrast the feelings I had which were much worse at Bethel ,is'nt that something?

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You've got to see this site

by Zep in

jw
friends

http://www.intrex.net/tallyman/the_list.html .

this site is a riot.

heres a taste of judge rutherford!.

wozadummy

Zeps quote

Sorry, i dont mean to make a joke outa the JW religion...its obvously a very serious issue with some here...to discover that what you thought was probably isn't.I just read a post from a Guy in OZ and about when he was waiting on the 1975 deal to come through in October or thereabouts only he really couldn't give a SH'T by then since his Father ended up dieing in his arms from brain hemmorage in May that year....kinda sobers you up readin that stuff!He was against all the 75 hooplah in first place too! OMG the guy he here is referring to in Oz was a teenager in Adelaide and his father who died was named Adrian ,and if this is the same guy ,I studied with Adrian in 1974 at their home for 3 months ,my first wifes mother was a sort of witness and told me "nobody knows the day or hour" .So I asked Adrian if he thought Armaggedon was coming in 1975 ,and after dodging my question for a while he admitted that it would happen in Oct 1975 ,but I remembered what my mother in law said and ended my study with Adrian for good and he died not long after ! He was a lovely man though ,but I stupidly became a witness later on and always thought it would be nice to see him in the Rez. I heard that his son had left the org and met his mum at an assembly years later and she seemed real lonely...so sad. I wish I could find that post Zep refers to ,can anyone help me here ,I would like to find out if this is the same people.

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Watchtower 2007 3/15 -- Is 1914 dropped?

by observer in

watchtower 2007 3/15 is very unusual.

it is titled (when freely translated) "how coming of the christ affects you?".

in the first article there is not speaking about 1914 or invisible presence.

wozadummy

I'm definitely with you HB ,time and smoke and mirrors - I just feel so foolish now for not listening years ago to that little voice that said to me "but that's not right"