AudeSapere

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  Elder got df'ed

  by XPeterX in

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  he had relationship with a female jw of the same congo.now that they are both df'ed they are gonna get married and then get reinstated.his ex-wife will have to see the new happy family 2 times every week at the meetings.sweet.

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  p.s:this is a classic one.

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  AudeSapere

  Some names were mentioned in this thread.

  Regardless of their actions, their real and full names should not be posted on a public forum.

  -Aude.
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  SoCal meetup

  by Dagney in

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  we have a visitor from far away with us, "hopscotch" as she is known on the board.. we would to put out a "shout-out" for any and all who would like to join us for a meetup this coming weekend, august 21 or 22. we are open to suggestions for where and when.

  i would like to encourage any in the area, and even if you are not, to join us.

  i cannot tell you how wonderful it is to meet up with the kindred spirits of those who are on the journey we are all on.

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  AudeSapere

  Sunday the 22nd works better for me. I can host if we keep it fairly simple (bring a dish, etc) and y'all want to come up to Ventura County.

  Otherwise, maybe meet up at a park so kids can play?

  -Aude.
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  Inappropriate - Sick - WT & Awake articles over the years.

  by Essan in

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  i remember as a kid reading an article - not sure if watchtower or awake - which terrified the life out of me!

  i remember thinking at the time "ok, this may be true, but i'm just a kid, i shouldn't be reading this!".

  some of the details remain imprinted on my mind decades later.

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  There were 2 yearbooks that were just soo inappropriate for children. One focused alot on Malawi. My mom read it to us each morning at breakfast before we left for school. There was the follow-up admonition that we should be thankful that we live in America where, at the moment, the worst thing we had to endure was scorn from our classmates for not celebrating holidays and not saluting the flag. At least we weren't being raped and beaten in public by strangers (beatings from dad didn't count as persecution).

  The other year book was all about the holocaust.

  I also have some visuals that I got from those early morning reading sessions. Too graphic to mention the details of the various torture methods.

  -Aude.
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  Question on Case of Disfellowshipped then Committed Suicide

  by ruruj in

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  there was an occurrence years ago where a jw wrongdoer was disfellowshipped.

  in a matter of days this poor victim committed suicide.. would there be any kind of accountability for the victim's suicide death?.

  how frequent do these cases happen?.

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  Confearacy wrote: There are people that have committed suicide after being fired. ... Those that sulk into pitiful pool of self pity about being disfellowshipped seriously need to show some backbone and grow up.

  Employment is secular. Place of worship and/or with your family are the two places on the entire earth where you should feel comfort in your soul.

  You cannot compare Disfellowshipping from the JW organization to being fired from a job. They are no where near the same thing.

  -Aude.
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  i think it is time for a NC coastal APOSTAFEST!!

  by oompa in

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  i have a small cottage...sleeps six to sixteen depending on how friendly we are...it is one mile from the water at holden beach which is halfway between myrtle beach sc and wilmington nc.....and both are great places as is the beach at holden.....it is a half acre of grass and 12 of beautiful woods....so so some trailers and many campers are welcome.........the beach is awesome as there are no hotels on the entire island....sept is the best month...............anyone interested?....it is very private and i love the bonfire pit.....i have pics on photobuckt but trust me it is awesome......love you guys and let me know.................oompa.

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  I've got the time but no money for airfare. Buy me a ticket and I be there~~!

  -Aude.
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  Bad time here

  by Decided in

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  my life is in a bad state right now.

  i'm in debt so far i will never get it paid off, can't even make the payments.

  my two step kids are living with me right now, both are going through a bad marriage.

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  Ken -

  You sure have had a rough few years. I have no answers for you but feel your pain.

  Didn't both you and your grandson have some pretty significant health concerns, too?

  Nice to see you post today. Sorry things have been so difficult.

  -Aude.
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  Attended a funeral this morning

  by man in black in

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  a lady i work with recently lost her husband to brain cancer, she is a very nice person so i made it a point to attend his memorial.

  mass at the local evangelical church.. as the service went on, the pastor had asked the man's son, brother, and two sisters to give a little speech about their father, and brother.. it was one of the most emotional things i ever witnessed at a funeral.. .

  remember, most of these people are from a different religion, or don't have any belief at all.. the brother gave a very nice talk about growing up together, one sister just stuck to her written script, it was very hard for her to speak in public.. the other sister read a letter that she started when her brother discovered that he had cancer, so her letter covered events for two years.. she started crying several times when something she was reading struck her, yet she was able to laugh, and get the entire church to laugh along with one of her personal observations regarding her brother as he grew up.. the most emotional part was when his 23 year old son got up and read a tribute that he wrote to his dad,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,.

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  Yet I felt that the emotion, shared feelings, and actual crying in public was more theraputic to the family than a canned "theocratic" talk could ever be.

  Could not agree more!

  has anyone else ever noticed how different and good it is to branch out and experience other spiritual beliefs outside of the wtbts control ?

  I noticed it BIG TIME! I consider myself Agnostic Christian (hehe) and sometimes just CRAVE the pagentry (?) of a church. Live music. Some basic rituals. Two years ago I flew to New York for the express purpose of attending Christmas Mass (catholic church) with my non-jw family. If I lived closer, I might consider going at Christmas and Easter every year, but it's too far to be practical for that.

  For funerals, though... OMG... Witness funerals are so unbelievable dry and scripted - as you said - especially when compared to how they are handled in any other religious or non-religious setting I've experienced. So *real* and so personal. Comforting for the family. Comforting for the friends. An opportunity to show support for the family and respect for the deceased.

  My grandma died last year. Grandma was a difficult person; contentious and mean spirited for pretty much the whole 50 years I've known her. How did the priest address this in his service? He acknowledged her 'more difficult' personal attributes right off the bat. Acknowledged that all 6 children, 18 grandchildren, and 23 great-grandchildren may be struggling to deal with some of the conflicting emotions. We had all known her as an imposing force for our entire lives and could each identify with the meanness and the stubborn tenacity that was characteristic of her. Take the good parts. Cherish the positve traits that she imparted to us. Let the rest stay behind.

  There was alot more and I have not posted about this particular service (which was almost 9 months ago) because the entire process was so unbelievably emotion. As my jw sister called it: "The good, the bad, and the ugly." (JW sister did not attend the church mass but was part of all other events including hosting 3 of us at her small apartment.)

  The point I'm trying to make is, absolutely, night and day difference between JW and virtually any other bereavement process. Next time I have to go to a JW service, I will absolutely make plans to privately or with a few friends go do something else personal to remember the deceased.

  Just remembered another, less dramatic example. We were staunch JWs when grandfather died 25 years ago. Just this past March I cooked my first boiled dinner on St Patrick's Day. Grandma and Grandpa were Irish Catholics and Grandpa loved to cook. I had a few close friends over, including (walk-away believing) brother and toasted Grandpa's memory. It was way more emotional than I expected.

  Just the simple toast (not allowed by JWs) was a way of showing respect and love for a departed family member.

  So much more real than anything I'd ever experienced in the org.

  Thanks for making me cry! (It's a good cry, though. Remembering people I've loved)

  -Aude.
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  Which do you prefer?

  by keyser soze in

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  when it comes to weather, would you rather have a wind chill below zero, or a heat index over 100?

  it's the hottest week of the summer here.

  i have to confess, i handle the cold much better than the heat.

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  AudeSapere

  If I had to choose one extreme over the other, I think I'd choose cold.

  I wilt in heat and can't hardly breath when it's hot and humid.

  I used to love the cold and loved my winter clothes but now I'm not sure I could function well in the cold. Maybe I would be OK if I didn't have to be fully responsible for shoveling snow and getting to work on time after snow storms.

  Now I live in such a temperate climate that I have become sooo spoiled. I think it reached 72 degrees here today (warmest day in about 3 weeks) and every night for the past few months it's been in the mid- to low-50's.

  This area is called 'Pleasant Valley' and it is indeed Pleasant.

  -Aude.
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  TV NEWS show exposes Fluoride for what it is - poison!

  by What-A-Coincidence in

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  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nzbrbpgtot0.

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  AudeSapere

  Fluorosis - as shown in the photo - occurs when there is too much fluoride in the system. A much lesser amount helps prevent caries.
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  ok, I give up!

  by dssynergy in

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  i have been testing the waters with a fade.

  waiting to see the reaction.

  my friends and family still talk to me, although i haven't been to meeting since november of last year.

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  AudeSapere

  how do I make it through the meetings??

  Come in late. Leave (very) early. Look sick and hold your stomach (not a far stretch, eh?). Bring something to read or just read the Bible. Bring a different version if you want some variety. Print out some other non-jw article that you want to read and read that during the meeting.

  I think my last year and a half I read more of my bible during the meetings than I had ever done in my life. Not just 'looking up scriptures' but actually reading entire chapters at a time.

  Here's a thread from last year by someone with the same question:

  http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/forum/tech-support/165520/1/How-to-Endure-Meetings-Constructively-My-Approach

  Or... You could lead the group in a rousing game of Bullshit Bingo!

  http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/jw/friends/27457/1/Bullshit-Bingo-for-your-meeting-enjoyment

  -Aude.