Posts by AudeSapere

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What TV shows do you like to watch?

by mamalove in

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now that it is winter, i am staying in a little....got a new tv for christmas so it's rather nice.

i never used to watch tv much.. what do you like to watch?.

i do like modern family on wed night on abc.

AudeSapere

Hot in Cleveland

Food Network - Worst Cooks in America, Giada,

At night while falling asleep: Seinfeld, Friends and Frasier

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Worlds Apart (Movie) now on Youtube

by Billen76 in

sara is a teenager who lives with her family, who are jehova's witnesses.

the family's devout image is questioned when the parents divorce as a consequence of the father's infidelity.

one night at a party sara meets teis, an older boy who takes an interest in her.

AudeSapere

In the US, it is scheduled to air on the Sundance Channel 7 times in January:

Saturday, January 8 3:15 PM

Wednesday, January 12 8:30 AM Wednesday, January 12 1:50 PM Monday, January 17 6:30 AM Monday, January 17 11:00 AM Monday, January 17 3:35 PM Tuesday, January 25 6:05 PM

http://www.sundancechannel.com/films/500535524/

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Rejected by Immediate Family

by LoriJis in

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as most of you know, my husband and i da's ourselves almost 8 months ago.

the communication with my family stayed pretty normal.

they would call once in a while and text me.

AudeSapere

I think it's always a tough call - dealing with JW family.

Nice that you have non-JW family (and hopefully other good friends) to create memories with. Cherish those relationships. Make them your 'family of choice'.

I'm having my own troubles with JW family members so no good advice for you except to foster other relationships.

Hugs. I feel your pain.

-Aude.

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Restraining order against me from my JW Wife

by karlosranson in

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i should have posted this earlier for assistance.

i left jw two months ago and since then my life has almost been a lifetime movie.

long story short, my soon to be ex-wife believes i am full of the world, satan, etc etc.

Restraining order against me from my JW Wife

by karlosranson in

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friends

i should have posted this earlier for assistance.

i left jw two months ago and since then my life has almost been a lifetime movie.

long story short, my soon to be ex-wife believes i am full of the world, satan, etc etc.

AudeSapere

Here is a link to custody brochure:

http://www.qwotes.info/childcustody.pdf

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Child Custody and Jehovah's WItnesses

by Kismet in

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over the weekend i was asked by a very elegant lady and by another lady with a julia robert's smile to re-post this here.

the original can be found at h20.

( http://www.aimoo.com/h2o.

AudeSapere

bttt

Reviving a very old post because the discussion seemed timely for some here.

-Aude.

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Restraining order against me from my JW Wife

by karlosranson in

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friends

i should have posted this earlier for assistance.

i left jw two months ago and since then my life has almost been a lifetime movie.

long story short, my soon to be ex-wife believes i am full of the world, satan, etc etc.

If you do nothing else today, print out two copies of the 'Child Custody Packet' - one for yourself and one for your attorney. Read it. Know it. Make marginal notes in your copy (as a former JW, you *know* how to mark up an article~!!)

Outlaw wrote: Does anybody have the WBT$ quote that says "The Law prevents the WBT$ from killing apostates?".. His lawyer would have fun with that..

I found this using the JWN Search Feature:

*w52 11/15 703 - **We are not living today among theocratic nations where such members of our fleshly family relationship could be exterminated for apostasy from God and his theocratic organization, as was possible and was ordered in the nation of Israel in the wilderness of Sinai and in the land of Palestine. "Thou shalt surely kill him; thy hand shall be first upon him to put him to death, and afterwards the hand of all the people. And thou shalt stone him to death with stones, because he hath sought to draw thee away from Jehovah thy God, . . . And all Israel shall hear, and fear, and shall do no more any such wickedness as this is in the midst of thee."-Deut. 13:6-11, As being limited by the laws of the worldly nation in which we live and also by the laws of God through Jesus Christ, we can take action against apostates only to a certain extent, that is, consistent with both sets of laws. The law of the land and God's law through Christ forbid us to kill apostates, even though they be members of our own flesh-and-blood family relationship.*w60 2/1 80 - 17 There may be rare instances where a child is so hardened in its stubbornness that even the rod of correction cannot drive it out. In the days of Israel parents were instructed by Jehovah to take such a rebel to the city fathers and they, in turn, took the incorrigible one out and stoned him to death. There were no juvenile delinquents under such a system. (Deut. 21:18-21) So also today, the New World society of Jehovah's witnesses can not and will not tolerate juvenile delinquency to exist in its midst. So, to avoid a possible death-dealing blow by being disfellowshiped from the congregation,
*w61 10/1 597 - **In ancient theocratic Israel such false prophets were to be tried before witnesses, exposed and stoned to death. (Deut. 13:1-11) Today the true Christian congregation may not enforce such a death penalty for prophets of deception who try to induce disloyalty to God and his kingdom. But the congregation can give them a spiritual smiting or striking with the truth of God's Word, even wounding them sorely at heart and in spirit.

I found the above quote from this 2001 thread: http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/jw/friends/3440/1/The-arrogance-of-the-True-Believer

It's also important to remember that, as 'clarity' alluded above, when the JWs talk about apostacy or badness, it is usually from the reference point of their own closed society. And they suppose that *everyone* who leaves their fold, does so because they want to engage in bad things. They will believe this even if there is no evidence of wrong-doing.

Also, be aware that the JWs themselves will view the above quotes as 'old light' since the info was published more than 20 years ago (in this case, more than 50 years), but the harsh *attitudes* that were put in writing back then still exist in the cong. The words themselves may have softened a bit in recent years but the concept and attitude still strongly exists.

Hope this helps.

-Aude.

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Restraining order against me from my JW Wife

by karlosranson in

jw
friends

i should have posted this earlier for assistance.

i left jw two months ago and since then my life has almost been a lifetime movie.

long story short, my soon to be ex-wife believes i am full of the world, satan, etc etc.

AudeSapere

Many times a restraining order is obtained in order for the filer to further advance their claim of abuse and to garner more sympathy from friends, family and community.

It also serves to get your attention and let you know they mean business.

If there truly is no threat of attack by you, you may want to simply stick with the issue of access to your children. The restraining order unfairly drives a wedge between parent and child - children are being used as pawns in an ugly divorce. Children being legally prevented access to their own parent can wreck havoc with their relationship with both parents. They can become suspicious of the parent against whom it was filed and highly resentful of the one who filed.

My suggestion is to focus on the kids and restoring a good, loving, upbuilding, wholesome relationship with them.

For the TRO, have the kids removed from it and promise to leave the ex-spouse alone. If possible, get someone else (lawyer, aunt, uncle, etc) to let the kids know that they should never have been included in the order.

Hopefully, your spouse was just being dramatic and did not really have just cause to file the order out of fear of physical harm to herself or the children.

We don't know you at all, though, so really impossible to know what really went on.

-Aude.

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Were you given a good beating when you was a JW kid growing up in TRUTH

by Hairyhegoat in

my dad used to use the kettle flex on me and my 2 other brothers, and if he was a bit drunk he would just come up to our room and thump us all in our beds!!

my mom could be heard crying alot when we were growing up in the happy jw religion.

me dad was a lover of the rod as he got a good kicking when he was a kid from his dad!!

AudeSapere

Yes. My father was a physical abuser of all his children and his wife (my mother).

While my dad was an elder, two of my siblings were removed from the home by the police and placed in the care of Child Protective Service (one was taken in about 1980 and the other about 10 years later. Horrible to hear my dad's testimony in court trying to defend his extreme behaviour. The elders stood by him in support.

Band on the Run wrote: Anything that was precious to me was taken away from me. I hid my desires for protection.

Same in my family. My dad seemed to take delight in smashing our favorite things while we watched. He had this really strange expression on his face as soon as he finished. Like he really enjoyed what he had just done and enjoyed seeing our terrified and crushed faces.

I also took to either hiding my favorite things or not letting on how important they were to me for fear that they would be the next things smashed or otherwise destroyed.

btw - BOTR, I also grew up in New Jersey. Bergen County. Wonder if we have crossed paths.

-Aude.

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Follow up from Hi

by WSEV12 in

i felt welcomed by the warm response i got to my last question.

my experience has been mixed in some christian forums and i am never sure what to expect but the people here do seem warm.. because i do not want people to feel threatened in any way - though it would probably be help to all - i usually try not to discuss my beliefs but some have asked what they are and it may be helpful to the nature of the question.. right now, i am going through a spiritual search and looking to see where i fit in.

i do have liberal beliefs about god and jesus and am not sure in what church i would fit.

AudeSapere

Check out Universal Unitarian. Seems bit of a generic church where you can take what you want/need and leave the rest. I went to Christmas service with some xjw's and felt very comfortable.

-Aude.