Posts by AudeSapere

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Undercover Brother Campaign- have you received your invite?

by stuckinamovement in

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without specifics being mentioned as to what it is......(to avoid tipping off certain lurkers).. how many people know about the upcoming summer long campaign?

please use this thread to confirm receipt of your campaign invitation.

take care.

AudeSapere

Can someone please send me a pm with details?

Thanks!

-Aude.

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Hi, new to this forum. Figured I'd let everyone know about my story before I got involved.

by JonathanH in

if you just want the juicy details where i leave, i'll make disclaimer where it begins, if you just want to know what happened with the elders and organization after i realized it wasn't true, i'll mark that seperately.

we didn't do jack shit in service, or in the congregation.

maybe this was how jehovah came about?

AudeSapere

I also missed this the first time (probably because I'm not paying much attention to anything X-JW lately).

Marking for complete read later. The bit I read was good and I know it's captivating.

Welcome to JWN. Looks like you've found yourself a vacation 'roosting nest'.

-Aude Sapere (meaning: Dare to Know; Dare to Have Wisdom/Understanding; Dare to Think for Yourself)

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Hello everyone

by wasblind in

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friends

ole was is still on the mend but feelin' better,.

home pc is down, hope to be back on soon, take care.

postin' from library.

AudeSapere

I have not been here much at all so don't know everyone's current situations/status's/stories and did not know that you were not well.

However, I *am* glad to know that you are getting better.

Be well.

-Aude.

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Is this a bad thing?

by sinis in

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friends

been married for almost two decades now, and still luvs the woman!!

anyways, her and her family had a trip planned to a theme park this weekend, out of state.

i have known about it for a while and used work as an excuse not to go.

AudeSapere

sinis wrote: I am taking some time off after she gets back and we will do some fun things around town or short day trips out of town. Will have some flowers and diner ready when she returns, probably will take her out.

Let her tell you all about the fun she had. Or if that's too boring/frustrating for you, ask what were her top two favorite things that happened?

I like that you are planning on a little something for when she gets back for just the two of you. You'll be refreshed from doing what you want and she will have had her own fun.

Sounds like a good plan to me!

-Aude.

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I remember an illustration "something" like this in a talk one time LOL

by therevealer in

my wife stood before me with some items in front of her.

without a word, she emptied a large jar of mayonnaise and proceeded to fill the empty jar with rocks right to the top, rocks about 2" diameter, then asked me if the jar was full.

i agreed that it was.. she then picked up a box of pebbles and poured them in to the jar.

AudeSapere

This was presented at one of the circuit assemblies I attended (15-17 years ago). I thought it was a good illustration and actually motivated me to stay in for a while a longer.

Imagine my surprise when 10 or 12 years later, after leaving the org and changing to a better career, I was participating in a corporate training program, when the EXACT same demonstration was used to illustrate how time management works:

One demonstration that Covey likes to make is pouring sand into a jar. Then he holds up a few larger rocks and shows that there is no more room in the jar for the big rocks. First, you put the bigger, more important, rocks in the jar. Only then do you add whatever sand will fill in the space.

Similarly, most people live their lives not doing what is really most important to them, but rather they do whatever issue is pressing them the most at present. Often, upon reflection we see that the issues that are so strongly consuming our time do not warrent the large mental energy and time we devote to them. They are like the sand preventing us from focusing upon what is important to us.

The two above quotes were taken from:

http://www.bainvestor.com/SevenHabits.html

My corporate trainer gave credit to Steven Covey for the training concept. You already know that the Watchtower gave no credit to anyone for the illustration that they plagerized.

-Aude.

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I talked the first time in 20 years to a non-JW and need a divorce...

by Intel in

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this is very difficult to write (forgive me for any spelling mistake, i am not a native english speaker).. i cannot tell my complete story on this board - i eventually will, once i have broken the last "link in the chain" that has kept me captive to the borg.

i can't tell my story, because.....basically i will be known.....as a more or less "famous" jw..... i have been lurking this site for many years, wrote here under another name - this eventually was found out and i had to do "damage containment".

i had to "go back" and tow the party line....all my family (extended and close) are witnesses, all my "friends" and even work & business relationships are jw.

AudeSapere

You've been offered such good advice here already. However there are a few things that stand out in my mind:

1. Keep coming back here. This place can be a soul-saver for you. A wealth of experience and information. You are not the first to have to go through this difficult situaiton and, sadly, you won't be the last.

2. On page 1 you wrote:

if Jehovah wants to kill me to do it RIGHT AWAY, to JUST PULL THE TRIGGER...he would do me a greater favor than menacing me for years with Armaggedon.

I would re-think how you talk to your wife about spiritual things. Something like what is quoted above is almost psychotic and difficult for most people to address. Really, how do you think she *should* respond to something like that. I do not remember what your current belief system is, but I will guess that you do not really think a god named Jehovah is out to get you personally and plans to murder you himself. Nor do I think you really believe that Armageddon is looming with you as its primary target. So why taunt her with talk like this??

Since she seems to be so deeply *in* one of these stances may be better: (a) agree to not talk about any spiritual/religious things; (b) have a weekly family study that only uses the bible - and maybe compare different versions/translations; (c) if she brings up your relationship with Jehovah, just politely let her know that you are confident and at peace with your relationship and standing before Jehovah. Exude that peace and smile when you say it. Let the confidence and peacefulness ooze out you.

3. ABSOLUTELY find non-JW things to do with your daughter, with your wife, and by yourself.

4. Don't abandon your daughter. Forget about the religious stuff. You are her dad. Period. Fight for access to her and make the time you spend together count. Do fun things. Do adventurous things. But don't leave her. Ever. It does permanent damage to a girl's self-esteem. Keep calm and be determined to not let ANYONE separate you from your child.

5. If you want to see if there are witnesses near you, check the old postings on the home page for 'Apostafests'. You might find something there. Alternatively, you can send a private message to someone you trust here and ask them to create a new post there to suggest a 'get-together' in your area. When I travel, I often post to see who might be available to meet - even if just for coffee.

Nice to have you back - whoever you were...~!

-Aude.

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Michael Jacson's kids going to JW meeting

by Gayle in

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-1390052/michael-jacksons-children-smartest-clothes-weekly-worship-grandmother.html?ito=feeds-newsxml.

i feel sorry for them.

i hope the kids don't get pulled into the intimidation of jws..

AudeSapere

av8 wrote: For those you attende with her,or know a bit about her,is she really all in ?

I have been out for a over 15 years and have not seen her in about that long. When I was in, she was definitely all in. (Husband is an elder) We have mutual friends that I see from time to time and they say she is still a 'faithful witness of Jehovah' (tm).

I tend to believe it's true.

-Aude.

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She shows too much cleavage. What should I say to her?

by Iamallcool in

i met a gorgeous lady yesterday and she shows too much cleavage.

i see her facebook page, all of her pictures has cleavage in them, i would not want to date her because she shows too much all the time.

i am tempted to tell her to cover up her cleavage, she might not like me telling her that.

AudeSapere

lamallcool is 'asilentone'??

Really??

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Michael Jacson's kids going to JW meeting

by Gayle in

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-1390052/michael-jacksons-children-smartest-clothes-weekly-worship-grandmother.html?ito=feeds-newsxml.

i feel sorry for them.

i hope the kids don't get pulled into the intimidation of jws..

AudeSapere

That's my parents old hall.

Nate and Rebbie actually went to my hall in Thousand Oaks for most of the 80's. Different congregation, but the same hall.

Katherine went to a different cong in the SF Valley. Closer to Sherman Oaks/Encino. Don't know why she is now attending Woodland Hills. Maybe because it's Michael's old hall/cong. Maybe because it's about 1/2 way between her hall and Rebbie's...??

-Aude.

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Charles Sinutko wants to sell you some songs-

by moshe in

he is on the internet and he has 5 songs he wants to sell you.

i guess he probably needs some extra income to supplement his meager social security check ( wt pay is pretty bad).

can you believe he is 75 years old now?

AudeSapere

One of his relatives (nephew or brother) was in my congregation here - but inactive since before I moved into the territory. I remember he opened a liquor store or mini-market or small restaurant and started selling Lottery Tickets. It was a minor scandal.

Unfortunately, I cannot remember if he was Faded, DA'd or DF'd but most of us just kept away. Bad association and all.

-Aude.