Posts by AudeSapere

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Letter From Whitney's Mother

by breakfast of champions in

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just saw this on google news.

link to letter here.. .

dear family, i want to tell you that although this has been the worst of my lifes tribulations, that i am still standing.. the obvious reason is that jehovah is the faithful keeper of promises holding to his word that never, would his great love allow his precious children to be tested beyond what we could bear.

AudeSapere

About the letter itself... I'm still trying to process my thoughts. And I'm really trying not to say negative and critical things when someone is trying to grieve - in whatever lame way that may be.

Initial thought was 'dyed-in-the-wool' witness. And while the mother may very well love her daughter, she still views her as an object or possession. When it comes to protecting our children, most people say 'the hell with everyone else. My kid's welfare comes first.' This mother clearly is so fully indoctinated in the JW disdain for 'this' life and fueled by the wave of encouragement from JWs around the world that her words sound cold toward her daughter and the attack.

Denial of the real facts and implications seems evident.

I'm really having a tough time with my thoughts. I agree with JWFacts alot. But I think many of us - myself included - are holding back our real thoughts out of respect for what we believe is a family having trouble finding a way to really grieve now.

-Aude.

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Need some help!!!!! URGENT

by sinis in

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my wifes mother recently passed away, and it has devastated my wife.

the family, who are not witnesses, but out of respect for the deceased, and who was a jw, had the ceremony at the kingdum hell, which almost made me throw up... last time i ever step foot in that place.

i felt like a vampire on the threshold of a church, as i looked into the interior hall feeling my skin burn and start to smoke... anyways, as i have posted on here before a friend of my wife, has in the past, sent her (my wife) emails about going back to the kingdumb hell.

AudeSapere

I don't think it's right to try to control another adult. Your wife should be able to talk to who she wants. Let her go back if that what she thinks will make her happy. You don't have to make it easy for you. You don't have to join her. But you can make it more fun (and genuine) to be away from the hall.

I'm very much in a 'Live and Let Live' mode. When asked, I'm pretty clear on my own views. I temper it a little with active JWs (like my own family), but other wise I don't initiate religious discussions.

On a separate, but probably related note, I don't understand 'shared' personal email accounts, though. It's not like you have to pay to get your own. Do you share an account because neither of you trusts the other?

-Aude.

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Holt to Remain in Jail; Whitney's Family Not in Court

by AudeSapere in

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http://www.oregonlive.com/gresham/index.ssf/2012/10/whitney_heichel_man_accused_of.html.

by steve mayes, the oregonian .

on october 26, 2012 at 3:30 pm, updated october 26, 2012 at 3:38 pm email|printoregon city -- the man accused of killing whitney heichel was indicted friday afternoon on additional charges of kidnap, robbery and sodomy.

AudeSapere

What's an "open house" at the KH?

It's unchartered territory, I think.

Don't recall *ever* hearing about an Open House for the non-JW community in a Kingdom Hall.

-Aude.

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Letter From Whitney's Mother

by breakfast of champions in

jw
friends

just saw this on google news.

link to letter here.. .

dear family, i want to tell you that although this has been the worst of my lifes tribulations, that i am still standing.. the obvious reason is that jehovah is the faithful keeper of promises holding to his word that never, would his great love allow his precious children to be tested beyond what we could bear.

AudeSapere

nuthouse escapee wrote: I think it does more harm than good when the funeral is basically just another talk.

I have a feeling that there won't be a talk - or that it will not be the usual talk. They have set up a 3- or 4-hour 'Open House' for the non-JW community. This is definitely not going to be the same run-of-the-mill infomercial that we have seen in the past.

The actual funeral talk seems to be for invited family and friends only. Strange.

When my JW friend disappeared, her body was found 19months later. The memorial service that we had after finding her body was held at the Circuit Assembly Hall. It was held there to accomodate all who wanted to attend. It was not the usual JW talk. Well, it was much of the same, but more personal.

It's nice when some JWs break out and do something a little different. Almost ANY different is good. With all the community rallying around them (even raising money for the family) the family *had* to do something in response. I'm glad the local BOE allowed the Open House. Then again, it would have been a very bad witness if they did not.

-Aude.

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Holt to Remain in Jail; Whitney's Family Not in Court

by AudeSapere in

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http://www.oregonlive.com/gresham/index.ssf/2012/10/whitney_heichel_man_accused_of.html.

by steve mayes, the oregonian .

on october 26, 2012 at 3:30 pm, updated october 26, 2012 at 3:38 pm email|printoregon city -- the man accused of killing whitney heichel was indicted friday afternoon on additional charges of kidnap, robbery and sodomy.

AudeSapere

http://www.oregonlive.com/gresham/index.ssf/2012/10/whitney_heichel_man_accused_of.html

By Steve Mayes, The Oregonian
on October 26, 2012 at 3:30 PM, updated October 26, 2012 at 3:38 PM Email | Print

OREGON CITY -- The man accused of killing Whitney Heichel was indicted Friday afternoon on additional charges of kidnap, robbery and sodomy.

The hearing, during which Jonathan Holt appeared in court via a video feed, took only two minutes. Holt, whose court appointed attorney is Conor Thomas Huseby, will remain in jail

More Continuing coverage of Whitney Heichel, 21, of Gresham, who was reported missing after she failed to show up for work.

None of Heichel's family showed up for the hearing, which took place at the same time that an "open house" in her memory was going on at a Gresham Jehovah's Witness Kingdom Hall.

Holt was arrested a week ago today in connection with the death of Heichel, a 21-year-old Gresham woman whose body was found on Larch Mountain with four gunshot wounds.

Holt, who turned 25 this week, has confessed to killing her and also to kidnapping her on the morning of Tuesday, Oct. 16, and sexually assaulting her before shooting her.

More information to come.

-- Steve Mayes

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EX JW teen just signs with legendary producer!!!!!

by Lady Liberty in

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dear friends,.

it has been a long time since i have posted.

time heals much pain, and finally, my family and i have been able to move on with our life outside of jw land.. many of you became our friends, our support system, and you know very well our exit story...we were labeled, slandered and disfellowshipped for having questions regarding the date 607. we sent out letters exposing the elders and circuit overseer to over 200 families.

AudeSapere

Just stumbled on this ...

LL and BP I think of your story often and was thinking of you today. Found this post and just had to give you a 'congrats' on so cleanly and successfully getting on with your lives. Regardless of how your daughter's career turns out, it's great that she at least has the opportunity to follow her dream.

Thank you for sharing this continued part of your story.

I 'Liked' her Facebook page and will follow as she progresses in her chosen 'work'.

-Aude.

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Whitney Heichel killed by multiple gunshots

by AndersonsInfo in

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autopsy - whitney killed by multiple gunshots.. http://www.koinlocal6.com/mostpopular/story/autopsy-whitney-killed-by-multiple-gunshots/pfbmma18luksrgnszxpxfq.cspx.

salem, ore. -- the oregon state medical examiner's office announced monday the death of 21-year-old whitney heichel was caused by multiple gunshot wounds.

heichel's body was found friday afternoon on larch mountain in east multnomah county.. .

AudeSapere

It's nice that the family and cong are trying to somehow include the community in the service. With so much emotion in what seems to be a loving community, I think this 'open house' type of event will leave the mourners feeling empty. My guess is that the elders will try to create a warmer style of funeral talk, but having it in the Kingdom Hall, I don't see much real comfort for the community.

The difference between a JW funeral and a normal worldy funeral is worlds apart.

My guess is that the attendees will feel empty and confused.

-Aude.

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MEET MOJO!

by nicolaou in

see, i can do fluff too!

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AudeSapere

Oh! Too cute~!! He's just adorable. And I love the name, too.

-Aude.

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I hope you die...

by WatchTowerofBabel in

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i'm curious.

(true in both senses).

when i was a child i used to hope celebrities i liked (or wanted to boink) died before armageddon.

AudeSapere

I never thought to kill some out of 'love' but there were soo many strong feelings of hoping someone would die so they would be resurrected.

For the few that did die (like grandparents), I never properly grieved their actual passing. Decades later, I still have occaisional overwhelming sense of loss. Loss of loved one and loss of time that was squandered while they were still alive. Not getting to know them as well as I should/could have, instead, time was spent preaching to them.

-Aude.

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My JC coming up tomorrow for causing division Rom 16:17,18 - wish me well!

by Healthworker in

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hi, brothers and friends!.

would make me happy if you say a prayer or wish me good luck!.

been an exciting day, training with you guys before the rumble in the jungle tomorrow!.

AudeSapere

Good Luck. Keep your cool and you'll do fine.

-Aude.