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@DerekMoors -
A few posts ago you wrote: @Kim Silvio (sorry, don't know how to actually tag,
if someone knows how to get her attention):
Kim seems to check in and catch up on this thread periodically (me too, for the past 8 months!! LOL) so she will likely find your post on her next catch-up session.
To highlight it for her, you might want to send her a DM with a link to the page your question is on.
Just a thought.
Happy Sunday!!
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Vintage wrote: I read somewhere that Watchtower had somehow “received” some similar honor, years ago, and had displayed its trophy in a case, but later removed it from display. I have no idea now where I read that.
You probably read it on JWN.
Here is a link to one post about the WT Telly Award:
JWs win 2015 Bronze Telly Award in the “Online Video News Feature” (jehovahs-witness.com)
And an ancillary post that mentions the Telly:
Removed from JW.org: Interview w/Jared Kushner (jehovahs-witness.com)
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NonCoinCollector wrote: Although from time to time an error might occur, I feel like we've done a pretty good job stating what we believe to be facts. Unlike Joshua Sundberg who has decided to completely rewrite history.
Yes. 100% Agreed.
We have all done a much better-than-expected job of retaining an accurate record.
Collectively - especially on this thread - I think we have done a very good job of promptly cross-checking details so we keep the facts straight.
Helpful in keeping the facts straight are the several posters who have been quick to capture images, documents, and videos that will likely be hidden by someone [JLE] playing games with his own cyber trail.
Happy Sunday, Everyone!
Aude
PS: MUCH Thanks to Simon for helping to protect the integrity of the discussions by not tolerating the frivolous deletion of posts.
a pimo elder at bethel has come forward with a special message posted on reddit.. https://www.reddit.com/gallery/v9mgao.
the dated pictures attached are "proof conclusive" that this is for real.
no outside guests are allowed inside bethel at this time.
On page 5 of this thread Terry posted a link to a video that Ben Foard published earlier this year.
In the video, Ben talks about the many layers of access to WT informational documents (public-facing and internal).
The video is well-worth the 23 minute watch.
I am re-linking here:https://youtu.be/JG6PjU7X27I
For a small part of the video he mentions racism and segregated congregations.
I remember segregated congregations in some areas of the US.
We - new, normal congregation rank-and-file JWs - were told that the segregation was vestige of prior government mandates and 'The Society' was merely complying with 'the superior authorities'.
Ben's video presents a little different context to that understanding.
-Aude
so my grandparents got a letter from a jw.
they have gotten these kind of letters over the years and they always give them to me and this time i got fed up and i wrote the guy back.
just wanted to post my reply letter in case anyone could use a chuckle on a sunday morning.
Slim chance that anyone collecting the mail at the PO Box will read the letter.
But I did. And I did get a little chuckle from it.
Aude Sapere (Meaning: Dare to Know; Dare to Have Wisdom/Understanding; Dare to Think for Yourself)
(booga booga booga) LOL
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Thank you LMSA.
Aude
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On this page...
Debra wrote: "...every few months he takes off to Thailand to cheat on his wife with prostitutes with your patreons donations, no it's not gossip no it's not lies,..."
This statement is not correct.
So, in practicality, this statement is a lie.
Please everyone, we need to keep our facts straight.
Lloyd did *not* admit to going to Thailand every few months.
In fact, if I recall correctly, he admitted to just *ONE* trip to Thailand [to cheat on his wife with a 'girlfriend' who is a sex-worker].
What he admitted to on the infamous video - that he says he was forced to do (because Kim S made a statement about him) - was visit sex-workers every few months for the past several years.
The assumption at the time by people watching the video was that the sex-workers were located in Croatia, possibly also some in England, and maybe, just maybe a time in Texas. And, of course, that one infamous time in Thailand during Christmas and NewYear's Eve 2021.
When repeating details that are not favorable to someone (ie: Lloyd) or something (ie: Watchtower.Org) it's really important to not exaggerate or assume that you have the correct details.
When mis-statements are presented as truth but the facts show something different - it gives the subject of the mis-statement something to latch on to and claim 'LIAR!', 'SLANDERER!!', "LIABLER!!!'
We all know Lloyd cannot let anything go unchallenged.
Please don't give him more fuel by presenting exaggerations as fact.
Best to be careful and double check - triple check - the source documents/actual video.
Aude
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Edit to add:
"...this year alone Lloyd has had vacations in Thailand Texas and London UK and drives a bmw."
I may have missed it, but I don't think Lloyd was in Texas this year (2022).
Can anyone confirm a 2022 trip to Texas and that Lloyd's personal vehicle is a BMW?
Aude
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Ozzie wrote: Sorry, off topic, but just wanted to say G’day to AudeSapere and say glad to see you’re still posting.
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On page 519 about 5 posts down LMSA pasted a comment of JLE ranting about Deborah Dykstra's delay in putting COC back in print:
"...Where is your indignation at Deborah for taking Crisis of Conscience out of circulation for years..."
That was an asshole comment.
He did not mention that Deborah is not a publisher and may not have known where to start or might not have understood how much interest there was in the book.
Deborah inherited the copyright when Ray and Cynthia died.
I think the book may even have gone out-of-stock while Ray was still alive (?)
He gave no grace to Deborah when she eventually made a public statement that she had also been ill.
While Lloyd Evans made loud public statements criticizing Deborah for not doing something that she was never obligated to do, to my knowledge, Lloyd Evans did not make public to Deborah when she did make a public statement.
Not only was Deborah unwell with extended illness, when she did eventually see about getting the book updated and released again, she ran into ownership hurdles because someone (J. Lloyd Evans aka John Cedars) had taken it upon himself to publish the book as if he owned the rights. He even slapped stickers of his website on the cover of the book and leveraged the book to self-promote himself and his social media platform(s).
I believe he was even working on translating the book into other languages.
Does anyone remember seeing a public apology to Deborah for the damage he did to her?
He paid her $50.00? Big deal.
How much extra did Deborah have to pay lawyers to get the ownership cleared? How much did J. Lloyd Evans pay her for her extra legal fees to untangle herself from a mess he created?
How much did J.Lloyd Evans pay Deborah for her own time to deal with the mess?
Seriously, that was just another asshole comment.
an avid wts supporter writes:.
re: vaccinations: vaccinations have never been banned.
if they were, then no representative of the wts would have been allowed to travel overseas when vaccines were compulsory around 1920 when vaccines was regularly in the news, there was both positive and negative information printed in the golden age (forerunner of the awake) but not from the staff writers, but from out side sources of article by medical doctors at the time and others that responded to those articles.. re: organ transplants: organ transplants were never forbidden by the society.
This:
In response to BlueBrother...
Bartolomeo wrote: This is because the same story always comes out: the WT often and willingly loves to behave and pronounce itself in an ambiguous way, so that one day it can always say: "We never said it, some had understood ..."
Think about it: organ transplants, 1975, vaccinations, relationships with disfellowshipped family members, the same tactic every time
For those of us that were alive and in the org at the time, it's also good to note how aggressive - or not - the org was in with regard to disfellowshipping and disassociation.
-Aude
