I see it is ok for one of our british poster's to come right out and declare Mega an 'asshole'. What gives here?
DannyBear
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British Balmpots Rule The World!!!
by Celtic inthis morning i received a telephone call from a company asking me to drive 500 odd miles for them on a delivery run taking me pretty darn close to englishman's home, upon arriving at his doorstep, he instantly nagged me to make a post, despite my adversity towards doing so, 1 cor 15: 33 an all that, however, thought rather than upsetting his somewhat peculiar nature, that i'd take him up on the offer and wish you all the best.
so, to those that know me, may i wish you all the best and my hopes that 2003 be one hec of a good year for the lot of you.
life this end is excellent as usual, though in these winter months not spending as much time as i would like down upon the banks of the helford river.
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The Judge's Illegal takeover
by RR ini have often wondered why the bible students did not pursue a lawsuit against j.f.
davies, auerbach & cornell.
davies, auerbach and cornell.
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DannyBear
TOH,
The Bible Students were and remain a very low key, no pressure adventist sect. It is very significant that the Judge's ruthless (illegal) takeover of wtbs, changed the tone of doctrine to an in your face, loud speakers mounted on cars, vindication of god's name, die at the Great Day of God Almighty, fanatical religion.
Danny
Ps Is there any wonder why jw's grew more than the BS.?
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God hates wickedness.....but MUST allow it.
by gumby ingod is love.
god doesn't desire any to be destroyed.
god is near to those who cry out to him.
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DannyBear
Shell my dear,
It's not all about you. Sorry my ruminations ignited your fire. It was not directed to you or particularly about you. In fact I have considerable affection for you.
As to your assertions that Iam angry at God. Simply not true. I still believe in a creator, a God so much more than what has been painted by religion. So all of your posturing on turning away from him is a mute point for me.
All of my above comments simply reflect my opinion about the entire religious community throughout history. Sometimes we all get so mired in the details, interpretations, chronology, phrasology, prayer, and sanctimonious drivel, that we don't look at the WHOLE picture. That is all my words above tried to do.......get people to see the whole sorry affair, in light of reality think, not some delusional spiritual fog, created by the desire for answers.
Did not intend or even try to destroy your concept of God. Just to present the events and time line the god of the bible presents.
Danny
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God hates wickedness.....but MUST allow it.
by gumby ingod is love.
god doesn't desire any to be destroyed.
god is near to those who cry out to him.
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DannyBear
Ash and Gumby,
How did you know I had not had my second cup of coffee before writing the above diatribe?
I forgot about the Hoooollllyyyyy Spiiiiririittie. Ah yes the 'force' behind the amazing and wonderous works of Christianity.
Well let me ponder a bit. The spirit motivates a few hooded/robed white bearded men to decide what writings qualify as being inspired of God. Then these same dingbats use the selected works to justify burning at the stake, anyone young or old who does not seem to understand, or comply, with what they chose to be 'truth'. Funny thing most of those they burned or tortured to death, never even layed eye's on or could get a copy of the book of laws they had supposedly violated. Make sense to me.
Then the Holy Spirit motivates entire armies to go forth and randomly kill and pilage village after village of 'heretic's', heretic's who had no idea they were apostates. The holy spirit knew though.
Then the Holy Spirit caused millions to leave thier original belief's behind, because some English king wanted to get a divorce.
Then because about a zillion people who did not know anything about what the Holy Spirit was up to, decided to assign Muhamad a hilltop, so that he could get some of his own Holy Spirit. His Holy Spirit said that the other Holy Spirit was ok, but his was better. Then both Holy Spirits duked it out for the next 1800 years.
The the USA Holy spirit decided to choose 144,000 'earthling men/women' to carry out it's will for the next 120 yrs, until the Holy Spirit could decide what God wants to do. Meanwhile the Holy Spirit of Muhamad is telling his chosen ones to 'beat the shit out of Jesus chosen ones, so that they can be assured of having 70 extra fine virgins awaiting them after killing themselves driving airplanes into two very tall building's that represent the success and financial well being of the other Holy Spirit's adherents.
All just comes together doesn't it?
Danny
edited to correct tow to two
Edited by - DannyBear on 13 January 2003 11:9:5
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God hates wickedness.....but MUST allow it.
by gumby ingod is love.
god doesn't desire any to be destroyed.
god is near to those who cry out to him.
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DannyBear
Here's the dilema for me.
God is makes appearances/sign and portents for almost 3000 yrs of man's early exsistance. Angels with flaming swords, sun going dark, mega flood, knock's down huge battelments/walls, protects Daniel from the searing heat of the furnace fire and mouths of lions, arranges affairs of one tiny family in the deserts of Sinai, parts water's so thousands can walk thru, makes his presense known by writing on some stone tablets, speaks thru an ass, inspires men to write all sorts of gibberish, impregnates a virgin, raises the dead, cures a few sick people, then as some sort of final goodbye to man's affairs, allows his own son to be slaughtered.
Then what does this most active god do for the next 2000 years? ABSOLUTLY NOTHING.......until some little white bearded habadasher in the good ole 'USA mother of all that's good for the world', decides to interpret what god has been and will do in the future.
What a grand legacy the great God Almighty has left for his children. Not.
You can spout all you want about 'earthling man' geez what a stupid expression, where else other than earth can you find man?
It is all a play on words my friends. we as 'earthling man' are gullible so in need of comfort, we will fall over ourselves if anyone just uses a few choice phrases.
We lap it up, we give our lives, our will over to some seer who can throw a few emotional words together and we swoon with spiritual delight.
No here and now 2000 years into god's complete silent phase, all we need is someone to sound godly, promise that god will take care of things, and we get all weak kneed and teary eye'd.
Well for me I think Iam done waiting for the god man has tried to invent. Iam done with trying to explain or be explained to, about HIS will. Iam no longer interested. Thank you.
Danny
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Another sign of being spiritually weak
by freedom96 ini remember back in the day, as i was growing up, that if you missed a meeting, everyone knew.
and even me, subconciously, would know if i hadn't seen someone.. becoming an adult, i missed meetings a lot, and no one really said much.
not that i contributed much to the meeting anyway.. but.
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DannyBear
Farkel said:
****Dumbing down of already dumb dubs is the dumbest thing a dumb religion could do unless they only want truly dumb dubs. (They do.) How dumb.****
MuHaHaaaahahahahhaahah or very funny!
Tell me they don't do that now. They read the paragraph's first? (Sorry Elsewhere had to do it)
I believe the jw's may be single -handedly responsible for the growth of the 'yellow highlighter' market. When applying colored marks to a page of written material, is thought ot represent an indication of spirtuality, someone needs to call 911.
Some deep therapy and counciing is in order. What is sad is that what you say actually goes on in every Kingdom Hall around the world. Well maybe Boswatania they use yellow monkey doo or died coconut juice, but I pretty well guarantee you they have a method of displaying thier spiritual state to some snoopy elder, looking over thier shoulder at the wt study.
Don't ya just miss it all?
Danny
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"Bible Students" and 1919
by artful ina have a couple of questions pertaining to the wtbts and "bible students" from 1914-1919 and onward that i would appreciate receiving your feedback on:.
1. does anyone know how many "bible students" (jehovah's witnesses) there were in 1919?
i know that wtbts keeps such meticulous records of their "flock" now, but i have no access to material that covers that time period.
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DannyBear
Artful,
I enjoyed reading all the responses myself. I hope that your wife continues her search for the truth regarding 'the truth'.
The history of this incidious religion called Jehovah's Witnesses is a very revealing study in the origin and developement of a cult. What started out to be the musing of a wealthy habadasher in the late 1800's, developed into a mega publishing corporation, with undertones of fanatical religious dogma. All in the name of praising God, this religion has left a legacy of tears, blood, suicides, and families forever damaged.
It is well worth the invested time to search out it origins, for they reveal very clearly that the wtbs is nothing more than a man-made, man inspired, effort at explaining the unexplainable. I guess every religion ever invented has aspired to provide answers, yet the history and track record of them all, proves the futility of placing trust in any group or organization that lays claim to the 'truth'.
Really had a chuckel about your statement:
***What a bizarre requirement when you think about it - keeping a written record of the time you spend talking about God!!! Maybe God hands these report slips in to Satan every month to prove that there are people on earth "vindicating his name"! ***
Happy searching.
Danny
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Another sign of being spiritually weak
by freedom96 ini remember back in the day, as i was growing up, that if you missed a meeting, everyone knew.
and even me, subconciously, would know if i hadn't seen someone.. becoming an adult, i missed meetings a lot, and no one really said much.
not that i contributed much to the meeting anyway.. but.
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DannyBear
Freedom.
*** Not that I contributed much to the meeting anyway.***
You mean that you didn't even summarize the answer from the paragraph provided, in answer to the canned questions at the bottom of the page? Why you laggard you!
Weak you may be in thier eye's, but to anyone who has a lick of sense, you my friend are a role model!!!
Danny
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"Bible Students" and 1919
by artful ina have a couple of questions pertaining to the wtbts and "bible students" from 1914-1919 and onward that i would appreciate receiving your feedback on:.
1. does anyone know how many "bible students" (jehovah's witnesses) there were in 1919?
i know that wtbts keeps such meticulous records of their "flock" now, but i have no access to material that covers that time period.
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DannyBear
Here is another commentary by James Penton on subheading The Vindication of Jehovah's Name:
"An important factor behind such zeal was the doctine of the vindication of Jehovah's name, a doctrine still taught by Jehovah's Witnesses today. Under Russell, the central doctine of Bible Students had been that of the ransom atonement of Christ which was seen as the expression of God's love for mankind.
Consequently, to Russell and the Bible Students of his day, the New Testament was regarded as more important than the Old. Althugh they sometimes stressed the importance of God's wrath, it was not a primary doctrine to them.
Under Rutherford that all changed. Writing on page 320 of the book Jehovah, published in 1934, he stated boldly: 'God provided that the death of Christ Jesus, his beloved son, should furnish the ransom or redemptive price for man; but that goodness an loving-kindness toward mankind is secondary to the vindication of Jehovah's name.' The judge stressed how, by being faithful to thier commission, God's witnesses throughout history had had a part in vindication of the divine name. But the ultimate vindication of the Almighty would come at Armageddon when the wicked would be destroyed.
Using allegorical interpretation, Rutherford argued that in bringing down vengeance upon the wicked in the days of ancient Isreal, Jehovah was simply prefiguring what he would do in the last days of this wicked world.
So it became of ultimate improtance that men should choose: they would have to join with Jehovah, Christ, and the the Theocracy, or go down with the Devil and his system at the battle of of the great day of God the Almighty.
Significantly, the doctrine of the vindication of Jehovah's name was in many ways like John Calvin's doctine of the majesty of God. Equally significantly, it was no doubt a major factor in developing a burning, almost fanatic zeal in the Witnesses of the twentieth century just as Calvin's teaching had done among his followers in the sixteenth. That means that, like the Calvinists of that era, the Witnesses became ever more intolerant of everything and everyone not in harmony with God's new nation, the Theocracy, as they saw it."
Note: Paragraphs added for ease in reading.
I thought the above really helps to understand the mindset of jw's at that time, in comparison to thier earlier counterparts Bible Students.
Is it any wonder why so many could subject themselves to persecution, ridicule, jail time, and be happy about it? The judge had given them a doctrine that really could not be argued against. I mean how could anyone NOT want to actually provide 'vindication' of the God Almighty and his Theocratic earthly organization??
This doctrine alone is probably more responsible for the growth of Jw's in modern times, than any other one can point to. It is the stuff FANTACISIM is built on.
Danny
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A Witness Response to Our Disassociation
by Princess ini received this email on saturday from [email protected] .
good job eh?
your father pulled your mother out now u and your husband or out .
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