***So what is Scripture and what is man's creation DannyBear in this case?***
I could understand most of what you stated, but the question above really stumped me.
Let me see if I understand what you and AGuest are implying here. Uhhh use the bible to prove your points when needed, but when it's painfuly obvious the bible is goofy, then you must talk to (also see) god himself or one of his representitives? Is that what your saying No?
Try answering a question with direct plain english, instead of relying upon smarmy religious mumbo jumbo. It appears that anyone who subscribes to your beliefs, must take a crash course in archaic bible speak.
It is the words that turn you guys on. Pretty much the same way jw's get all jazzed when they hear about the 'faithful and discreet slave class', 'spirit directed', 'sanctified', 'chosen out of all the nations', kinda tommy rot they love to hear week in, week out. It is those trigger words, that give substance to alot of hot air.
Danny