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  The Reinstatement Process & How It Works

  by minimus in

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  previously, we considered what might go on at a judicial meeting.now, let's see what the reinstatement process entails.

  let's use the example of fornication.

  you have been disfellowshipped for this sin and now you want to seek reinstatement.

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  Noumenon: Welcome to the forum.

  At the appeal the original 3 elders were sitting there (altho in absolute silence), along with the 3 new elders. I was rather shocked to see that's how they did it.

  The reason they do it this way, of course is so the original group can complain if testimony changes, etc. Don't forget that the original committee is a bit on the 'hotseat' themselves during an appeal....the appeal committee may have good reason to er, talk with them about how they handled things, even if they wind up agreeing with the decision.

  But here again, few elders have been on the 'other side of the table' to know how it feels to be the subject of a judicial hearing, so are not sensitive to the 'room full of elders' 'intimidation factor.

  In my experience, the appeal process only served to reverse the most outrageously unfair/biased verdicts, not as a true appeal process that really was just.

  BTW, great topic Minimus...

  ---Dan
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  The Reinstatement Process & How It Works

  by minimus in

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  previously, we considered what might go on at a judicial meeting.now, let's see what the reinstatement process entails.

  let's use the example of fornication.

  you have been disfellowshipped for this sin and now you want to seek reinstatement.

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  OutbackAussie, here's a sincere hug from 'ol Dan.... Hearing your story just makes my blood boil (especially what you were told after reinstatement).

  Like Ozzie says, there's no real scriptural basis for the whole DFng/Reinstatement Cycle. But I sure didn't see it that way while I was a Witness (and elder).

  The hypocrisy of the whole thing becomes more infuriating as those who 'humbled' themselves and groveled and did everything asked of them (even stupid, meaningless stuff) begin to see that Jehovah's Witnesses as a group do not practice what the preach, that blatant favoritism has/is being shown. That 'who you know' can reduce the penalities for wrongdoing, and that some of the elders themselves are/were guilty of some of the very things they sit in judgement of.

  It's not that so many elders start out to be bad guys, just that power corrupts. The power to hold other's fate in your hands goes right to the head, more often than not. And if that feeling is mixed in with being convinced you're doing God's Will, it is not a pretty picture, especially if you're on the receving end of all this. In addition, the meetings are held behind closed doors, so there's no usual path to redress some of the crap that goes on, or to rein in recalcitrant elders.

  I've often thought that the way 'wrongdoing' is handled among Jehovah's Witnesses actually contributes to bad stuff going on, in this way: The members of a congregation become conditioned to the concept of being held accountable by the organization and not God, although it they are continually told otherwise.

  One additional line of 'proof' for me that Jehovah's Witnesses don't have God's blessing, and aren't being used by him.

  Jeez, the stuff I get worked up about.

  ---Dan
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  Serena Williams Sits On US Flag

  by dannyboy in

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  just thought this was an interesting picture....... .

  edited to change thread title .

  edited by - dannyboy on 25 january 2003 19:46:25.

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  So, is she or isn't she a Witness?

  ---Dan
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  Serena Williams Sits On US Flag

  by dannyboy in

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  just thought this was an interesting picture....... .

  edited to change thread title .

  edited by - dannyboy on 25 january 2003 19:46:25.

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  Michael,

  I just now changed the thread title to something that I know is completely accurate! LOL.

  Thanks again.

  ---Dan
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  Serena Williams Sits On US Flag

  by dannyboy in

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  just thought this was an interesting picture....... .

  edited to change thread title .

  edited by - dannyboy on 25 january 2003 19:46:25.

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  Michael:

  Technicly she's not a dub as I understand she's not been baptized

  Hmmm. That's news to me. Thought she and her sister were indeed witnesses, but I grasp the distinction you suggest.

  I just now searched this site, and find this comment:

  The fact that Venus (and her sister Serena) are both active Jehovah's Witnesses participating in the Olympics has provoked an interesting reaction from the organization.

  That's from this thread: http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.aspx?id=36224&site=3

  Can anybody point to something definite on this point? Don't want to call her a witness if she's not...

  Thanks, Michael.

  ---Dan
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  Serena Williams Sits On US Flag

  by dannyboy in

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  just thought this was an interesting picture....... .

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  edited by - dannyboy on 25 january 2003 19:46:25.

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  Just thought this was an interesting picture.......

  Edited to change thread title

  Edited by - Dannyboy on 25 January 2003 19:46:25
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  TWO REALLY STUPID QUESTIONS

  by MYOHNSEPH in

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  i tried to figure out a way to do this anonymously, because i really hate looking stupid.

  well, this stupid anyway!

  but you see, i'm not really much of an internet person.

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  Myonseph-

  Everybody was a beginner once. Your questions are not at all in the category you suggest BTW [By The Way] LOL.

  ---Dan

  Edited to remove a few examples....April's list is way better (we posted at the same moment)

  Edited by - Dannyboy on 25 January 2003 18:41:35
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  TWO REALLY STUPID QUESTIONS

  by MYOHNSEPH in

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  i tried to figure out a way to do this anonymously, because i really hate looking stupid.

  well, this stupid anyway!

  but you see, i'm not really much of an internet person.

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  dannyboy

  1. LOL=Laughing Out Loud

  2. When composing your message, click on the icon (little picture) in the frame area above the box where you type that is just to the right of the "smile"

  Hope this helps.

  ---Dan
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  Cancer is such an ugly word..nice to be back.

  by BONEZZ in

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  i missed this place but i just didn't feel like posting.

  it's good to be back after a cancer scare i recently had.

  i found a fast growing tumor on my back.

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  Hey Bonezz,

  Good to see your posts again.

  Raiders by 4 points?

  ---Dan
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  One question that would make you think....

  by Dawn in

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  no jw's have been to my door for years because they all know where i live - my mom drives by with her "car group" and points out our house, even stops to use the potty or get a pop.

  silly - i know, but mom doesn't seem to care about the shunning thing (thank goodness).. anyways - hubby and i have bought a new house and will be moving out of this congregation's area soon.

  it's a brand new house in a new area so i'm sure it'll get worked fairly quickly (new blood on the block).

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  LOL @ expatbrit