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  "When armageddon happens, I want to be able to SEE the people dying"

  by jambon1 in

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  said to myself & others by a jw elder.. i always recall this as a sort of .

  when this elder was pressed on the matter, he replied that it was because of all the years of laughing & sneering & mocking that he had put up with, quoting the scripture that goes along the lines of 'where is this promised presence of his'.. i realise now that this person is not loving.

  and yet, i would hear similar sentiments from others such as 'just wait until the end' or 'i wonder if they'll be saying that when jesus comes with his big sword'.. even as a jw pioneer, the thought of such a thing happening to people repulsed me.

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  Thanks guys for the kind words. It's our third & I'm still head over heals about it.

  I'll leave any debate for now.

  I get angry about their beliefs sometimes.
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  Just got a Phone Call

  by cantleave in

  1. jw
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  it is the congregation's co visit this week.

  it is first one since i stepped down and i have not attended any of the programme.

  i just received a phone call from a sister, i answered thinking it was someone else.

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  If I were to have been hounded on my leaving (which I sort of was but wasn't if you know what I mean) then I would have undoubtedly told one of them to f**k right off.

  In fact, nowadays I wish I had went out by telling a few individuals exactly what I thought of them. Just a few, not many.
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  "When armageddon happens, I want to be able to SEE the people dying"

  by jambon1 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  said to myself & others by a jw elder.. i always recall this as a sort of .

  when this elder was pressed on the matter, he replied that it was because of all the years of laughing & sneering & mocking that he had put up with, quoting the scripture that goes along the lines of 'where is this promised presence of his'.. i realise now that this person is not loving.

  and yet, i would hear similar sentiments from others such as 'just wait until the end' or 'i wonder if they'll be saying that when jesus comes with his big sword'.. even as a jw pioneer, the thought of such a thing happening to people repulsed me.

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  jambon1

  Sylvia

  You seem to be missing the point.

  Two wrongs smply do not make a right.

  I've just felt my baby move in my wifes stomach today. It's hard to imagine how god could view that as deserving of having it's head smashed against a rock because of my actions, no matter how bad I was.
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  "When armageddon happens, I want to be able to SEE the people dying"

  by jambon1 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  said to myself & others by a jw elder.. i always recall this as a sort of .

  when this elder was pressed on the matter, he replied that it was because of all the years of laughing & sneering & mocking that he had put up with, quoting the scripture that goes along the lines of 'where is this promised presence of his'.. i realise now that this person is not loving.

  and yet, i would hear similar sentiments from others such as 'just wait until the end' or 'i wonder if they'll be saying that when jesus comes with his big sword'.. even as a jw pioneer, the thought of such a thing happening to people repulsed me.

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  I've discussed what happened on Sept 11 2001 with some jws. I asked them: 'how did you feel when you saw 3,000 of your fellow US citizens die like that? Now imagine billions of people dying in a similar manner - buildings crumbling and so forth. Is that really what you want to see? Do you really understand what you are hoping and praying for?'

  As pointed out above by the poster who nicely quoted Amos 5:18, do they really realize what they're asking for?

  An elder who was 'akin' to the other elder told me that what he observed on 9/11 was "sad but exciting"

  They're basically sick bastards.
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  Did You Ever Miss a Meeting for a Televised Sporting Event?

  by cantleave in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i did very occasionally, notably for formula 1 and wimbledon finals..

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  I remember waiting for a football game to come on the TV. It was Scotland versus somebody. An important game. Hyped up in the media etc. I had a steak to eat & cold beers in the fridge. I had been to my 'group study' which was in the afternoon. This left my evening completely mine.

  This asshole elder phoned me to ask me to take his group because he was 'ill'. Although I was absolutely raging, I put my suit on & went to the group to cover for this shithouse. To this day I really wish I had told him to......well, you know.

  At the point I left the org, the team I support was enjoying a remarkable season. Thankfully, a by-product of my leaving was that I was able to enjoy many of the games & celebrations associated with our clubs achievement which don't come along all that often tbh. Had I been a JW, I would have missed the lot as I had done 8 years previously.
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  "When armageddon happens, I want to be able to SEE the people dying"

  by jambon1 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  said to myself & others by a jw elder.. i always recall this as a sort of .

  when this elder was pressed on the matter, he replied that it was because of all the years of laughing & sneering & mocking that he had put up with, quoting the scripture that goes along the lines of 'where is this promised presence of his'.. i realise now that this person is not loving.

  and yet, i would hear similar sentiments from others such as 'just wait until the end' or 'i wonder if they'll be saying that when jesus comes with his big sword'.. even as a jw pioneer, the thought of such a thing happening to people repulsed me.

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  7 -9 God, remember those Edomites,
  and remember the ruin of Jerusalem,
  That day they yelled out,
  "Wreck it, smash it to bits!"
  And you, Babylonians—ravagers!
  A reward to whoever gets back at you
  for all you've done to us;
  Yes, a reward to the one who grabs your babies
  and smashes their heads on the rocks! MSG

  I honestly don't give a rats arse who it is refering to here. Smashing babies heads against a rock is just hideous.

  Can't see how any human can see it any other way.
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  "When armageddon happens, I want to be able to SEE the people dying"

  by jambon1 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  said to myself & others by a jw elder.. i always recall this as a sort of .

  when this elder was pressed on the matter, he replied that it was because of all the years of laughing & sneering & mocking that he had put up with, quoting the scripture that goes along the lines of 'where is this promised presence of his'.. i realise now that this person is not loving.

  and yet, i would hear similar sentiments from others such as 'just wait until the end' or 'i wonder if they'll be saying that when jesus comes with his big sword'.. even as a jw pioneer, the thought of such a thing happening to people repulsed me.

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  jambon1

  Said to myself & others by a JW elder.

  I always recall this as a sort of moment. I was genuinely asounded that a 'christian' could say this.

  When this elder was pressed on the matter, he replied that it was because of all the years of laughing & sneering & mocking that he had put up with, quoting the scripture that goes along the lines of 'where is this promised presence of his'.

  I realise now that this person is not loving. And yet, I would hear similar sentiments from others such as 'just wait until the end' or 'I wonder if they'll be saying that when jesus comes with his big sword'.

  Even as a JW pioneer, the thought of such a thing happening to people repulsed me. I guess that is why I am here and they are there.

  Anyone else hear such comments?
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  Possible Blood Doctrine Change: A Hypothetical Conversation with all JWs

  by daniel-p in

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  jw>"but you lived anyway!".

  jw>"...".

  jw>"well, they'll be ressurected.".

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  Metatron:

  You are absolutely right. Spot on.

  Sad to say, back in the day when I 1st left the org, I tried to see changes & things that happen in the org as a basis for my dear wife to see just what a joke the WT religion is. I even thought that the changes that they made to the Revelation book would stumble her. What a joke that was. Absolutely nothing will move her.

  I have had conversations with her & literally banged my head across a wall as I was hearing her reply to my objections. When things get too truthful & she can see my point, she just ends the conversation or acts like I am physically attacking her. So the conversation ends.

  NOTHING will EVER move my wife from being a JW. Thankfully I have my kids out of the abusive environment which literally did harm them mentally. They don't go to the WTS meetings or assemblies any more.

  But change the blood doctrine?

  Meh.

  They'll carry on as usual.
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  "Mind" Blowing Article on Watchtower Indoctrination! MUST READ!

  by What-A-Coincidence in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the author (from australia) makes some great points.. http://www.noelbatten.com/watchtower.pdf.

  46 pages long.

  some excerpts:.

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  jambon1

  The negative aspect of their teaching is what prompted me, having been out of the org for 4 years, to stop my children from attending the meetings with my wife. The inability to think positively & their absolute determination to make people feel paranoid & insecure became manifest in the thinking & attitude of my 7 year old. I saw it happening before my very eyes. The WTS are to blame however parents have the responsibility to protect their children. Unfortunately, it is only when one becomes detatched from the constant brainwashing that a parent can rationalise this & actually see what is happening to their childs mind.

  I will write more about this issue later because it is absolutely mind bloing what happened to my daughter & how it all came to light.
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  Killing all the babies & little children by Jehovahs loving Witnesses

  by jambon1 in

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  2. friends

  i still find it astounding that in these modern times we have people who believe such things & feel that it is justiified by god.. i remember a wt study where the scripture used the expression 'he will cut them off root & bough'.

  it used the reasoning that worldly children would only grow up to become like their wicked parents so they need to be destroyed.

  such sweeping generlisation & such utterly evil beliefs.

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  I still find it astounding that in these modern times we have people who believe such things & feel that it is justiified by god.

  I remember a WT study where the scripture used the expression 'he will cut them off root & bough'. It used the reasoning that worldly children would only grow up to become like their wicked parents so they need to be destroyed. Such sweeping generlisation & such utterly evil beliefs. This was in the days before the 'private copy' WT edition as well.

  Does anyone else have quotes/illustrations that show how absolutely depraved JW's are in their lust for blood so as to secure their own salvation?

  Utter filth!