Posts by Arthur

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Like they really have a clue...

by Justice-One in

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i was walking by the kitchen table this morning and looked down to see the book that the wife is studying in the book study.

the title?

- "what does the bible really teach?

Arthur

instead of Insight On the Scriptures : Propaganda On the Scriptures

instead of The Bible God's Word or Man's: The Bible - It's God's Word

instead of Mankind's Search For God: Mankind's Search For JWs

instead of Revelation - It's Grand Climax Is At Hand: Revelation - More Revisions Are At Hand

instead of Questions Young People Ask, Answers That Work: Questions Young People Ask, Answers That They Better Shut Up and Accept.

On the Watchtower, instead of saying: "Announcing Jehovah's Kingdom", it should read: "Announcing Rutheford's Legacy"

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My JW mom thinks I am happy. . . hmmm

by JWdaughter in

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ok, i am talking to my mom tonite at a restraunt overlooking the water, and we are having fun, and i am griping about my husbands silliness (forget which one, there are many) and she says to me" are you happy?

" and as i am complaining about my husband, i feel kind of silly saying, yes, but i said, yes, i have a lot to look forward to, my kids are great, my (new book) business is going well, and i am really excited about the next few months-my whole future.

she tells me, you know your sister has more money, and success, her husband worships her(mine has no such idolatry issues!)etc.

Arthur

Oh, and he is cute and has a great butt for his age, but thats just my opinion.:)

Well, good. Thank you for providing this critical piece of information.

This cracks me up. No offense to the ladies, but I find it funny how many women will often just throw out totally irrelevant information in the course of a conversation. I'll ask a lady: "So, how did your husband's golf tournament go?" And she'll say something like: "Oh, Tom did really well. He played better than he thought he would, considering he has been constipated for the last few days." And, I'm just thinking: "Great, thanks for sharing that with me."

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Serves me right

by dobbie in

last week i had to go to my allotment in the evening to pick some stuff for my dad.i went past the house i used to attend for thursday night book study, it was thursday night and when i saw all the cars parked outside for it, i just had a huge grin on my face cos i felt so free and happy not to be there, it was the meeting i dreaded most, i used to hate it!no one used to talk to us - even my mother in law would'nt say hello not even to her grandchildren!

(the only times she spoke were on two occasions which really surprised me until i realised it was because she wanted her youngest son to sleep at ours both times, so they could go away), anyway i got to the allotment which was awful cos my little ones did not want to be there, my eldest shut the door on my 18mth old so i went and left a big bucket of produce lying in the middle of the car park.

on the way back theres a lane with a part where only one car can get through so after checking no one was conimg the other way i stated to drive up it, nearly at the bit where its wider and a boy racer appears out of nowhere making me stop.bearing in mind he only had to reverse back one car length i waited for him to go back.the git and his girlfriend just stayed there laughing at me, i had the little ones and didn't want trouble so i started to reverse(which i just can't do!

Arthur

it was the meeting i dreaded most, i used to hate it!no one used to talk to us - even my mother in law would'nt say hello not even to her grandchildren!

Anyway next day my dad had this brilliant stuff he polished in so it looks much better,

Maybe if you put some of that polish on your mother-in-law, she would be less abrasive.

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My JW mom thinks I am happy. . . hmmm

by JWdaughter in

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ok, i am talking to my mom tonite at a restraunt overlooking the water, and we are having fun, and i am griping about my husbands silliness (forget which one, there are many) and she says to me" are you happy?

" and as i am complaining about my husband, i feel kind of silly saying, yes, but i said, yes, i have a lot to look forward to, my kids are great, my (new book) business is going well, and i am really excited about the next few months-my whole future.

she tells me, you know your sister has more money, and success, her husband worships her(mine has no such idolatry issues!)etc.

Arthur

and I am griping about my husbands silliness (forget which one, there are many)

Hold on now, just how many husbands do you have?

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The Jesus Papers

by Alpheta in

readers here may find this of interest, from the bar companion (biblical archaeological review) i received in email today (i'm a subscriber to the magazine).

it is a "preview" of a review of a new book.

http://www.bib-arch.org/bswb_bar/bswbba3205review.html.

Arthur

I think that the story about NASA faking the moon landing is more credible than this. These "revelations" are the stock and trade of publications like the Weekly World News.

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Questions....

by schne_belly in

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well its been well over a year now that ive stepped foot into a kindgom hall.

it was a rough start with many mixed emotions that i know many of you can relate to.

over the past year ive learned so much about myself and others.

Arthur

How do I proceed without letting them win, without letting them enrage me every few weeks/months and bring up old pains. Will my family and I ever 100% get over it? Is this even possible with some of our family members still stuck in this religion?

It's funny. A good friend of mine and I had a long conversation about this very subject tonight. He gave me some good advice. He told me that I must treat my JW family as if they are mentally ill. (no kidding) He said that I must accept the fact that I will never, ever get my family to understand my feelings or see things my way. He told me that as long as I expect my family to see things my way and to come to some kind of mutual understanding with me, I will go into the same cycles of rage and hurt feelings; therefore, once again being a victim.

My friend told me to have compassion for my family in that they truly believe with 100% certainty that their beliefs are the truth. He said that when I engage with them, I will need to treat them as a delusional, mentally ill person. (because of their indoctrination) I will just have to placate and humor them, while at the same time refusing to even allow the subject of religion to come up. He said that I will have to live with whatever consequences happen (shunning, etc.) The most important point is that I do not tie my self-esteem, or peace of mind to their actions. If I do this, I am only setting myself up to be victimized by them.

This will truly be a very difficult process. It will be painful at times. But he reminded me to have a strong support system. When I told him about this website that I use for support, he responded: "Great! Keep doing it."

This helped me; I hope it helps you a little bit.

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REALLY, Why Do People Remain Jehovah's Witnesses???

by minimus in

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i think it's all about fear.

they are always afraid of displeasing jehovah god, the elders, the circuit overseer.

witnesses are always walking on eggshells, hoping that they'll be good enough to make it thru the great tribulation.

Arthur

It's gotta be those awsome District Assembly dramas.

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Jesus said his load would be light, the Witnesses made that load very heavy

by free2beme in

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i always remember being told that the load jesus expected of his people was not something that should be a burden and basically if you think about the core to christianity, it is not.

basically, jesus said to love one another and to treat others how you would want to be treated and to respect the life you have.

i don't ever remember jesus saying, "have 5 meetings a week, two assemblies a year and one convention.

Arthur

I remember mom saying that even when we don't feel like going to the meeting we always feel better when we get home. She said this was because we had god's blessing..

Yeah, I remember hearing this load over and over again. But, look at all of the activities that we feel built up after. Going to a wonderful play, listening to some soothing music, going to a great art museum, spending time with our loved pet, and watching a really funny movie. Are they going to say that God's spirit was in the movie theater, because we came out feeling better than when we went in?

If only these people would try thinking once in a while.

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TITHING approaches!

by hamsterbait in

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in the sep 1 witchtower, p25.

there is an illustration (i assume of an anonymous israelite) vowing "i shall without fail give the tenth of 'it' to you" , at the point in the study where we are told that ornary folks gathered outside the temple when incense was being offered up.

(he has already given the tenth of something - "it's" running down the end of that phallic looking thingie.

Arthur

I think this is planting a seed for the idea that as the FDS class offers prayers up in Crooklyn Brothel, the R&F should be promising 10th of their income "to you"

If they demand a tenth of JWs income, they surely aren't going to get much being that so few JWs went to college, and the GB has told them not to pursue lucrative careers.

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Jesus said his load would be light, the Witnesses made that load very heavy

by free2beme in

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i always remember being told that the load jesus expected of his people was not something that should be a burden and basically if you think about the core to christianity, it is not.

basically, jesus said to love one another and to treat others how you would want to be treated and to respect the life you have.

i don't ever remember jesus saying, "have 5 meetings a week, two assemblies a year and one convention.

Arthur

They added to their daily load, piece by piece, event by event, and expectation by expectation of what they felt a Witness of Jehovah would be. To the point, that the wonderful organization skills they cherished, became the overload they added to their people. So that their people have become no different then the Jews that Jesus counseled. Saying that you read the law, and it is not enough, you add on to it. Christianity, religion, etc.

Thank You! I am applauding you right now. This was one of the biggest issues that I tried to bring up with other Witnesses, but to no avail. Yes, this is such a good point, and one of the biggest resentments that I had against this band of Judaizers in Brooklyn.

The Governing Body has become exactly like the first century Pharisees that place a huge load on the shoulders of the rank and file. They are so obsessed with being "holier than thou" that they miss the forrest for the trees. The JW religion has become a mockery to Christian principles.

I think the JW religion has less in common with Christianity, and is much more like that pyramid scheme back in the 80s known as Amway. No amount of effort is enough for these anal number crunchers in Brooklyn. These guys are obsessed with statistics, numbers, hours, placements, and growth figures. I just go so exhausted from this never-ending treadmill, and from sanctimonious traveling overseers who always wanted to harp on the fact that the flock wasn't doing enough.

I would like to make thousands of copies of this post in leaflets and drop them by helicopter over Brooklyn Heights. And on the back, I would put a phone number for them to call: 1-800-EAT-SH*T