Posts by Arthur

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I believe I am getting there

by Doug Mason in

in a recent post, i asked for help with a "jw" organization chart i am trying to create.. my greatest problem was with understanding the relationships at the "upper level" of the organization.

i have addressed this in some detail in my latest iteration and believe i am getting closer.. my picture is at:.

http://au.geocities.com/doug_mason1940/org_chart.pdf.

I think that it could be mentioned in the chart that the GB acts as a supreme judicial and legislative council. The GB makes decisions in matters of doctrine, practice, and decides which matters are disfellowshipping offenses.

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I need HELP and INPUT!!!!!

by webmustang in

i need to know something and i need help finding out the truth:.

if i retired from military as pharmacist, before becoming a witness and receive pension every month + benefits, is it contradictory with witnesses not being part of military?.

should i give up my pension to be in tune and harmony with our beliefs?.

Arthur

Perhaps webmustang / aka Gomer Pyle decided to do the Theocratic thing; and go look up the answer on the Watchtower Library CD-ROM.

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The Whole WTS is a corrupt bunch of lying false prophets!!

by cultswatter in

this topic has been talked about before but it is worth mentioning again.

the revelation grand climax book is currently being studied ar the book studies world wide (4th time) usually on tuesday nights.

at the book study the jws are force fed false doctrine by the wts evil slave class.

Arthur

I respectfully disagree. First of all, for anyone to feel that they alone have the ability to interpret scripture is beyond arrogant. To feel that they alone can interpret Revelations is dellusional. When reading "The Finished Mystery" line for line anyone can see the utter nonsense of that book.

You make a very good point. The words you used: delusional and arrogant are quite accurate in my opinion. The key word is delusional. This is why I believe, they can teach such nonsense without feeling any impropriety about it. That is why, in my opinion, they are not lying; but are deluded by their own sense of self-importance. When Steven Hassan wrote about various Bible cults he had studied, he commented that many of the leaders were so deluded that they believed their own irrational teachings. It was this quality that made them so convincing to their followers.

As far as arrogance is concerned, I truly do believe that it is arrogant to place an organization and a class of humans (i.e. "John Class") into the role of mediator. The organization has become an idol in that it is elevated to Christ-like status (mediator, salvation, the truth, the way, and the light).

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The Whole WTS is a corrupt bunch of lying false prophets!!

by cultswatter in

this topic has been talked about before but it is worth mentioning again.

the revelation grand climax book is currently being studied ar the book studies world wide (4th time) usually on tuesday nights.

at the book study the jws are force fed false doctrine by the wts evil slave class.

Arthur

I personally do not believe that the WTS is lying about many of their teachings, because I think that they truly believe their own rhetoric.

I don't believe that active JWs can be helped if we try to tell them that the organization is lying and conspiratorial. I think they can be helped if we show them where the WTS is in error and is teaching information based upon faulty concepts.

As far as the Seven Trumpets doctrine is concerned, I think that the WTS has a "wait and see" attitude much like a lot of their other teachings. I think that they feel that the "current understanding" is the best interpretation that they have, so they may as well waith for "Jehovah to give them new light".

The WTS treats ambiguous Scriptures (particularly the book of Revelation) like a Rubik's Cube. They are always twisting it, changing it, and fittling with it to trie to solve it. They are obsessed with the concept that they alone are the God-chosen solvers of the puzzle. This whole process is based upon two concepts: CURRENT UNDERSTANDING; and NEW LIGHT. This is why they have had to resort to pasting new sentences and paragraphs into the Revelation book.

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Welcome New Ones To The Forum

by Quandry in

sometimes i don't have time to look at all the new posts, and i miss some of the new posters, like king tut and others.

if you are new here, i just wanted to say welcome to the forum.

it is always great to have new ones and read your stories.

Arthur

I too would like to welcome the newer posters. I see a few on this thread that I have not seen before. So, welcome!

By the way, all female posters are free to pinch my cheeks anytime . . . all four of them.

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I need HELP and INPUT!!!!!

by webmustang in

i need to know something and i need help finding out the truth:.

if i retired from military as pharmacist, before becoming a witness and receive pension every month + benefits, is it contradictory with witnesses not being part of military?.

should i give up my pension to be in tune and harmony with our beliefs?.

Arthur

webmustang:

Why is it that you need others to tell you what is Scriptural and what is not? Are the Scriptures somehow deficient in that they need to be expanded upon by an extensive collection of rulings and policies? Are you trying to allign yourself with organizational policies and laws? If so, I would only suggest that you go read the book of Galatians very slowly and thoughtfully.

Ask yourself what the apostle Paul meant when he repeatedly told Christians not to allow themselves to be placed under law or to be slaves of men.

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"A Tremendous Teaching Tool!"

by under_believer in

jw
friends

the above is the title of the "article" on the back of the april 2007 awake!

magazine.

what follows is the body of the "article.

Arthur

The Ford Motor Company also praised it's own product called the Pinto.

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2007 District Convention to hammer apostates?

by yaddayadda in

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friends

this years "follow the christ" dc looks like it is going to be focused on avoiding all those evil apostates and their falsehoods, judging by some of the dc talks listed on the back of the june 2007 awake!

do not follow false teachers .

do not follow false stories .

Arthur

I remember recently a photographer from the local news paper was taking pictures during the program with quess what ? by the way it does make a diffrence even in a large venue.

Written by a real trooper who wears a helmet to school and who is probably an excellent T-ball player.

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Did Being In The Organization Produce Anything Good?

by The wanderer in

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did being in the organization produce anything good?everyone has his or her perspective and viewpoint about the watchtower society.. true, most of us on this board know the history and story behind the watchtower.

however, is there anything that you learned from your jehovahs witness past that .

you appreciate even today?.

Arthur

1) I had racially diverse friendships

2) I was raised with good manners, decency, and respect for others

3) I avoided drugs and smoking

4) I found out where all of the good donut shops were

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Duke Vindicates Jehovah's Ways

by Justitia Themis in

i found this on the "e-watchman exposed" db.

the post speaks for (or against) itself.

the duke case is a tragedy, but is certainly does not argue for the "two-witness" rule.

Arthur

The standard boilerplate argument of the Watchtower Society is:

Quesion Watch Tower Doctrine = Question Jehovah

Question Watch Tower Corporation = Question Jehovah

Question Watch Tower Policies = Question Jehovah

Exposing Watch Tower Wrongdoing = Touching Jehovah's Eyeball