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  Unloaded on the husband of my wife's study sister last night, how much damage did I do to myself??

  by insearchoftruth in

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  well had a really good weekend away from home, but i guess i knew that the respite from the wts would end.

  tuesdays are the day my wife has her personal bible study with the sister and she has also had the husband come over on tuesday afternoons so the son can have the pleasure of a bible study (which he loathes, he is a high school junior and has no interest in this stuff).

  i get home from work late, after a fairly long day and the guy is still there.

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  sort of suprised as well that your speaking as you did didn't trigger the 'aposta-radar'.

  I am guessing it did trigger actually, but he did not have an idea how to react, and he had offered through his wife to my wife to answer questions I had, using only the bible.......I found as long as I kept him off of comfort areas, he had no ability to critically think.....

  I still think they will provide my wife a very strong caution, but not sure how it will be phrased. She will go to the book study/ministry school thing tonight, I am sort of interested to see what she is like tomorrow.

  I really did not even want to talk to him the other night, but he kept opening himself up...........
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  Selection of the JWs in 1918/1919 - how might a JW attempt to show from the Bible

  by insearchoftruth in

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  i had asked my wife, who is in the study phase with a jw sister about the selection of the jws by jc in 1918/1919 time frame and she had actually never heard of that.. the husband of this woman she is studying with has been chomping at the bit to talk to me...well my wife said she will ask him to come show me, using only the bible, how this selection was made...of course she did not clear this request with the dubman before telling me she would do this.. i am guessing he will be there when i get home from work tomorrow, she is also torturing our son with a bs now (her son from a previous marriage).. what sort of reach do you think he will try to make to show this...i am guessing he will try to show 1914 from the daniel/revelation stuff, if he does this i am going to ask him to show 607bce from a non jw source....since i believe it is 586/587 bce as a starting date......i hope to keep him on the 1918/1919 topic, and have some examples of their beliefs from that era to talk about as well.

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  This is from a quick search of the internet... note the winged sun.. this is the symbol of RA. I used to have this book. Maybe someone else can post a clearer pic. Really have to leave for work now.

  I had found the small file with the cover picture, but when I attempted to enlarge it and print....unclear!
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  Anyone want to help with my next video (will be fun)...

  by Tuesday in

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  i hope it gives you hell, i hope it gives you hell.

  i hope it gives you hell, i hope it gives you hell.

  i hope it gives you hell, i hope it gives you hell.

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  Love the idea Tuesday.......I think this would get the attention of my stepson who is being forced to study as well......
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  Selection of the JWs in 1918/1919 - how might a JW attempt to show from the Bible

  by insearchoftruth in

  1. jw
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  i had asked my wife, who is in the study phase with a jw sister about the selection of the jws by jc in 1918/1919 time frame and she had actually never heard of that.. the husband of this woman she is studying with has been chomping at the bit to talk to me...well my wife said she will ask him to come show me, using only the bible, how this selection was made...of course she did not clear this request with the dubman before telling me she would do this.. i am guessing he will be there when i get home from work tomorrow, she is also torturing our son with a bs now (her son from a previous marriage).. what sort of reach do you think he will try to make to show this...i am guessing he will try to show 1914 from the daniel/revelation stuff, if he does this i am going to ask him to show 607bce from a non jw source....since i believe it is 586/587 bce as a starting date......i hope to keep him on the 1918/1919 topic, and have some examples of their beliefs from that era to talk about as well.

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  The most current publication of the time of thier being "chosen" was the Finished Mystery. On the front cover of that book is the symbol of the Sun God, Ra.

  Is there a good scan of this cover available......along with the page with the copyright.....good point!

  I mentioned finished mystery to him because I was raised Lutheran and wanted to read what was said about Martin Luther.....
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  Unloaded on the husband of my wife's study sister last night, how much damage did I do to myself??

  by insearchoftruth in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  well had a really good weekend away from home, but i guess i knew that the respite from the wts would end.

  tuesdays are the day my wife has her personal bible study with the sister and she has also had the husband come over on tuesday afternoons so the son can have the pleasure of a bible study (which he loathes, he is a high school junior and has no interest in this stuff).

  i get home from work late, after a fairly long day and the guy is still there.

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  hi search those question to me would have been a dead givaway of your researching apostate sites and taking propmps from them and it will be good for him to get to know that people do this now and see the tactics for what they are.

  If the gentleman has any sort of critical thinking skills, he should have come to that conclusion instantly, since where do most folks start a research project now.......google, and when one types jehovahs witness, they will get to this site, amongst many many more.

  I mentioned to him that one needs to be cautious at what one accepts, for there are many bitter/angry XJWs out there, so I told him I would take my information mainly from current and past publications of the wts.....but I also told him that to do a proper examination of anything, one can not only look at information provided by the organization or item being examined........

  This gentleman is a very kind, very intelligent individual, but I could tell from our conversation his critical thinking skills have been very numbed over the years......
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  Selection of the JWs in 1918/1919 - how might a JW attempt to show from the Bible

  by insearchoftruth in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i had asked my wife, who is in the study phase with a jw sister about the selection of the jws by jc in 1918/1919 time frame and she had actually never heard of that.. the husband of this woman she is studying with has been chomping at the bit to talk to me...well my wife said she will ask him to come show me, using only the bible, how this selection was made...of course she did not clear this request with the dubman before telling me she would do this.. i am guessing he will be there when i get home from work tomorrow, she is also torturing our son with a bs now (her son from a previous marriage).. what sort of reach do you think he will try to make to show this...i am guessing he will try to show 1914 from the daniel/revelation stuff, if he does this i am going to ask him to show 607bce from a non jw source....since i believe it is 586/587 bce as a starting date......i hope to keep him on the 1918/1919 topic, and have some examples of their beliefs from that era to talk about as well.

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  Reniaa -

  I appreciate many of your comments here.....yes, most if not all religions have had issues with the past.....but the issue here is in 1914 Jesus began ruling (invisibly) and in the period up til 1919 he inspected all the religions of the world and found the religion led by a Mr. Judge Rutherford to be the one and only.......

  We need to give Jesus/Michael more credit than that.....if the JWs of today were to hold true to the things Jesus saw at the time of the inspection, would they still be JWs.........yes, in the eyes of the JWs Jesus is merely a man, but since he is ruling from on high and should have the assistance of the spirit (Jehovah's force), shouldn't that spirit be much more efficient........and then since Jesus began his invisible rulership, shouldn't the 'brightening light' continue to gain focus, not flip flop on issues such as generation (same now as it was in 1927), Sodom and Gommorah, transplants, etc.
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  Selection of the JWs in 1918/1919 - how might a JW attempt to show from the Bible

  by insearchoftruth in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i had asked my wife, who is in the study phase with a jw sister about the selection of the jws by jc in 1918/1919 time frame and she had actually never heard of that.. the husband of this woman she is studying with has been chomping at the bit to talk to me...well my wife said she will ask him to come show me, using only the bible, how this selection was made...of course she did not clear this request with the dubman before telling me she would do this.. i am guessing he will be there when i get home from work tomorrow, she is also torturing our son with a bs now (her son from a previous marriage).. what sort of reach do you think he will try to make to show this...i am guessing he will try to show 1914 from the daniel/revelation stuff, if he does this i am going to ask him to show 607bce from a non jw source....since i believe it is 586/587 bce as a starting date......i hope to keep him on the 1918/1919 topic, and have some examples of their beliefs from that era to talk about as well.

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  Thanks Black Sheep, great link!
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  Unloaded on the husband of my wife's study sister last night, how much damage did I do to myself??

  by insearchoftruth in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  well had a really good weekend away from home, but i guess i knew that the respite from the wts would end.

  tuesdays are the day my wife has her personal bible study with the sister and she has also had the husband come over on tuesday afternoons so the son can have the pleasure of a bible study (which he loathes, he is a high school junior and has no interest in this stuff).

  i get home from work late, after a fairly long day and the guy is still there.

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  insearchoftruth

  your wife seems a relatively passive party in all of this. Is she on board with your excellent questions? And if she is, why on earth is she studying with these ignoramuses? Is she likely to think things through herself? Could she end up turning on you?

  On board, sort of kind of, most of these questions and comments have been previously directed at her, and she told me that since she is just a study, I will need to talk to some one with more knowledge and experience than she........so I had the opportunity and I did.

  Would not be at all surprised to see the gal she is studying with attempt to occupy more of her time, I am sure that I have now definitely been marked as a problem UBM....but also would not be all that surprised if he brought an elder by to as awildflower said 'to set me straight'. And if a superJW shows up, I will stick with 1918/1919 and blood fractions.....and when they talk 'light getting brighter', continue with the comments on the doctrinal flipflops on transplants and even the definition of a generation........

  I feel confident on what I spoke to him about because I think none of the questions were I think all that out of bounds, I pretty much stuck to medicine and disfellowshipping and I am positive that the comments I have made can all be backed up using the literature that I can ask them to provide me......or better yet, I will ask them to do the work themselves and look up the information.....why should I do all the work?
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  Unloaded on the husband of my wife's study sister last night, how much damage did I do to myself??

  by insearchoftruth in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  well had a really good weekend away from home, but i guess i knew that the respite from the wts would end.

  tuesdays are the day my wife has her personal bible study with the sister and she has also had the husband come over on tuesday afternoons so the son can have the pleasure of a bible study (which he loathes, he is a high school junior and has no interest in this stuff).

  i get home from work late, after a fairly long day and the guy is still there.

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  Maybe you could burn him a CD of collected older pubs from JWN!

  Not a bad idea, it would keep us on even ground as to reference materials........

  he has to be wondering how you came to know all this stuff..

  I told him initially I am an engineer by education and in my job I do research and I check not only references, but references from references.....and my wife knows I over research everything......
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  Unloaded on the husband of my wife's study sister last night, how much damage did I do to myself??

  by insearchoftruth in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  well had a really good weekend away from home, but i guess i knew that the respite from the wts would end.

  tuesdays are the day my wife has her personal bible study with the sister and she has also had the husband come over on tuesday afternoons so the son can have the pleasure of a bible study (which he loathes, he is a high school junior and has no interest in this stuff).

  i get home from work late, after a fairly long day and the guy is still there.

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  Sounds like this fellow is fairly "young" in the organization if he didn't know about organ transplants (MOC circa 80s) and 1918-1919!

  Actually he is a born in.....he talks a good game about reading the bible and how one needs to be in accordance with the bible principles, but I think his wife is the super JW, he is just along for the ride and most likely enjoying being the man........

  Yep, he sure portrayed Catholicism in a very negative light, but from what I understand, they like to do that....I was really amazed how he looked so perplexed at me when I made some comments, and then when I told him the information I have is from WT literature, it sort of took him back....