Posts by dozy

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FRANCE-WTS BIG SCANDAL IF TRUE

by DannyHaszard in

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cafe babel - strasbourg,france .

jehovahs witnesses are often criticised.

dozy

"In the fiscal year 1997/1998, the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society of Pennsylvania had net assets worth 705 billion dollars ."

Def: Net Assets The difference between a company's total assets and liabilities

Allowing for an increase in property prices of approx 50% from 1997 - 2006 , this makes WTBTS net asset value worth over 1 trillion dollars.

I know you guys have an anti-witness agenda and will quote as gospel any c**p written about JWs, but even the most gullible ex-witness shouldn't believe this nonsense. Britains biggest company is BP , which has a net asset value of $71 billion (£2.04 per share , as in current annual report). Google has a market capitalisation of $188 billion (the NAV is far lower). General Motors NAV is $22.8 billion.

So lets get this straight. JWs , with volunteer , unpaid publishers , have built up an organisation worth 15 X BP. Net asset value worth more than 5 X Google market cap? (I know the shares have fallen back a bit recently , but...) You have got to be joking , right? I'm frankly astonished that some of you actually believe this nonsense.

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The need for educated proffesonals - more WT hypocrisy?

by jambon1 in

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one thing that always annoyed me when i was in the org was the policy on education.

i personaly am not college educated, i was`nt raised as a jw.

however, i have always appreciated the services provided by those who have had a college/university education.

dozy

The WTBTS doesn't "ban" witnesses from pursuing these occupations. In fairness , in my cong & neighbouring ones , we have bros & sis of all these professions - accountancy and book-keeping in particular seems to be very popular around here.

Paul became a tent-maker rather than a lawyer and most of the apostles had relatively humble occupations - most JWs follow their example.

"Re: The need for educated proffesonals - I personaly am not college educated" - you don't say!

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was tobacco use common before deuteronomy?

by apostlestate in

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if it can be proven that tobacco use was a practice before all the o-so-explicit cleanliness laws in deuteronomy then god's silence on the matter could be deemed as proof that he did not mind such things.. anyone know if tobacco use has caveman roots?

dozy

I guess not -

c.1 BCE: Experts believe American inhabitants have begun finding ways to use tobacco, including smoking (in a number of variations), chewing and in probably hallucinogenic enemas (by the Peruvian Aguaruna aboriginals).

A brother in my cong gave up when someone asked him if he could ever imagine Jesus with a cigarette - he threw away his last packet & never smoked again.

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Locks of Love--Can you ever imagine JWs doing such a thing?

by rebel8 in

today hundreds of people are volunteering their hair for an org that provides wigs to cancer pts.

the today show in nyc had a few folks allow their long hair to be cut for donation and there are hundreds in another locale doing the same.

there are even little kids doing it!.

dozy

Lets go back to your original contention - the implication that JWs wouldn't donate their hair to charity. What was your motive behind raising such a topic? What point were you trying to make - other than to try to criticise , by implication , Jehovah's witnesses (of whom I see you were one , once.)Various posters , both existing JWs & ex-JWs stated that they knew of witnesses who had done this , so your assertion was misguided and wrong.

It would seem that some ex-witnesses are more than happy to be termed "apostate" - some wear it as a badge of honour. They call their gatherings apost-fests. One man in my territory openly tells any witnesses who call that he is an apostate (he used to be a witness years ago - faded but not DF). Reckons he is a bit of a Rutherford expert.

Your website strongly implies apostacy (apostate n. One who has abandoned one's religious faith, a political party, one's principles, or a cause) but if you do not wish to be labelled as such , then I do apologise.

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Have any been attacked while in FS?

by Check_Your_Premises in

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how many times were you attacked physically?.

how many times were you attacked verbally?.

how long were you a jw?.

dozy

How many times were you attacked physically? Never (would have reported to police)

How many times were you attacked verbally? Sworn at a few times - door slammed in face maybe 50X. Man threatend to send his dogs on me once - the pioneer I was with wanted to continue the argument but I wasn't hanging around.

How long were you a JW? 40 years - still a JW

It is much more dangerous being a postman or meter reader - they have dogs and / or humans attacking them all the time. A brother in Glasgow (Ronnie Hunter - well known sub CO) who was an insurance salesman was attacked with an axe - he told me that he got far more grief in his job than he ever did as a pioneer. I have always found that generally people are much more friendly when you have a baby or child with you on the ministry - people who are normally very rude take on a tremendous personality change (some even goo over the baby.) All credit to your wife.

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Locks of Love--Can you ever imagine JWs doing such a thing?

by rebel8 in

today hundreds of people are volunteering their hair for an org that provides wigs to cancer pts.

the today show in nyc had a few folks allow their long hair to be cut for donation and there are hundreds in another locale doing the same.

there are even little kids doing it!.

dozy

"That is a great example of twisting around my words. Please read all of my posts in a thread before insulting me in the future, and if you're going to do it, at least tell the truth."

Hmm - accused by an apostate of twisting words & telling porkies! Why do the words Pot , Kettle & Black spring to mind!

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Has there been any fall out yet over the Higher Education WT article?

by truthseeker in

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have you heard any complaints about the wt article on higher education?.

are there those for college?

against college?.

dozy

"One of our young JW nephews recently joined the military. The family is aghast! My wife and I are so happy for him. Now, at least, he has a life!"

Well - at least until he gets sent to a warzone! (Sorry -couldn't resist it -bad taste)

The young JWs I know have chosen a variety of job options , from window cleaning (they can earn a lot of money) ,through office work to university related courses. They all seem very content - certainly their standard of living is far higher than when I was young.

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WTBTS and Taxes in the UK.

by Gill in

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the wtbts, at least here in the uk, makes loans to congregations of jws for mortgages to build kh's at a 'reasonable rate of interest'.. does the wtbts pay tax on the interest it is making, since this is clearly not a charitable earning or donation?

dozy

"That is certainly the way that it always used to be done, but in recent conversations with the elders at my wife's congo, I am told that the title deeds are nowadays drawn in the Society's name?? Can you explain ? The elder did not seem keen to discuss it further. This is an honest question. "

Not in our case - but the titles were drawn up many years ago.

In Scotland there have been some cases recently involving retired Church of Scotland ministers refusing to leave church manses when they retired so that the new minister could live there. In one case in the North East , the old minister actually sold the house & pocketed the proceeds! The cases ended up in court & usually the incumbent stays on - so the legal situation involving church property is a bit untidy - maybe the WTS have tightened up. Can't speak for abroad , though.

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JW couples don't love each other

by Nosferatu in

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has anyone else ever noticed this in the kh?

married couples don't seem to show any affection to each other.

however, when a couple is dating, they will hold hands.

dozy

Varies from cong to cong. In some , couples were positively entwined during prayers - in others , there was very little physical connection. I would suggest that it isn't always a good guide to marital happiness status - my parents have been very happily married for years yet never even hold hands during the meeting. Another couple virtually had sex during the meetings but it was all a big front to give the impression of a happy marriage - she was having an affair with a young pioneer.

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Elder's school.

by ithinkisee in

my father-in-law and i had a big discussion about elders and how they are not loving.

i said this was indicative of the society as a whole.

he countered by saying, "i go to the elder's school, and it is full of loving advice.

dozy

"He countered by saying, "I go to the Elder's School, and it is full of loving advice. It is people-oriented training. We learn to take each situation individually and not be so precedure-oriented. The counsel from the Society is good. It is these elders in the congregation that don't follow it."

I would say that this is a fair summary of the elders schools that I have attended. There is constant emphasis on how the sheep are Jehovah's flock , love for the brothers , "hiding place from the wind" etc.