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4 New GB Helpers

by Reservations in

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apparently 4 new gb helpers as per reddit.

1) paul gillies.

2) johnathan smith.

Gillies just seems a rather uninspiring brown nosing company man. I guess that is the main qualification for progress through the upper echelons of the Org. He is really exceptionally dull and uninspiring , with no noticeable empathy or warmth though - with a manner like a junior Edinburgh lawyer - I don't know how well he would be in front of the cameras of JW Broadcasting.

If he does eventually become appointed ( albeit he must be in his mid 60's by now , so upper age limit for such as post ) , he would be the first British (and first Scot) to be appointed to the GB since Jack Barr (died - oops , sorry , ended his earthly course - 2010 ).

I hate to be cynical, but I just wonder how genuine these sudden claims ( in their middle age ) to be anointed are from obviously ambitious men who clearly have their hearts set on becoming GB members.

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ENOCH & the Watchtower Society

by Honesty in

genesis 5.

5 so all the days of adam that he lived amounted to nine hundred and thirty years and he died.

8 so all the days of seth amounted to nine hundred and twelve years and he died.

dozy

According to the JWs Enoch was a righteous man, and other violent people wanted to kill him. To prevent this from happening God killed Enoch himself.

Sounds familiar. According to the Society , the world is so wicked that God decides to end the wickedness by killing over 99.9% of the earth's population including women , children and new born babies. Ditto the flood ( with the particular irony that the supposed bad guys actually survived. )

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May 2022 Study Watchtower - FAKE prophecy again for JW's

by BoogerMan in

may 2022 study watchtower page 6, par.

5 “satan instigated an attack on the anointed brothers who were taking the lead in the kingdom-preaching work.

prominent ones among them were the figurative “two witnesses” spoken of as being killed.”.

dozy

Fredrick Franz did notice the discrepancy, so in a footnote to the "Revelation"-book

There was much debate as to how involved the (then) 95 year old Franz had in writing the book.

Although pretty senile by then , it is possible that Franz did have some input - notably after he died , the Climax book was substantially revised (we all remember the long list of changes to the book before it was studied for a third time.) His superb expertise in numerous languages , such as biblical Greek , would doubtless have been helpful to the writing committee.

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

by Newly Enlightened in

original reddit post (removed).

dozy

Is his final "confessional" livestream still up on Youtube? I was looking for it the other day but couldn't see it. Admittedly , it was a bit of a car crash.

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Governing Body needs qualified ''early to mid-twenty year old elders''

by RULES & REGULATIONS in

https://avoidjw.org/files/en/docs/doc-s/s-147/2022/s-147-22.01-e_bi.pdf.

avoidjw.org has posted a letter titled, ''announcements and reminders january 2022.''.

the governing body are always changing bible procedures.

dozy

This must be a massive need and a huge demographic leadership issue for the Org that they are pushing for really young elders to be appointed. My still-in JW uncle has a group picture of his last elders school on his mantelpiece (he's well into his early 80's - basically just an elder in name only as he doesn't do much now and zero during covid.). Probably 90% of the elders are late middle aged or older. Some looked like they had just been let out of the nursing home for the day.

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Turning up The Insanity To 11

by FedUpJW in

so a jw elder acquaintance sent me an email "encouraging" me to return to the organization, including this little nugget of a quote from today's wt session,*** w21 november p. 23 par.

11 how strong will your faith be?

***learn to trust those whom jehovah and jesus trust.

dozy

Learn to trust (those whom Jehovah and Jesus trust). At times, (those appointed to take the lead) may give direction that does not make sense to (us). However, Jehovah blesses obedience.

Actually - Learn to trust us. At times, we may give direction that does not make sense to you. However, Jehovah blesses obedience.

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2022-01-16--COVID-19 Test Kits!

by Atlantis in

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2022-01-16 covid test kits.

click image to make it larger.. .

https://postimg.cc/f1fddpry.

dozy

"Please reach out to your local elders for assistance"

Good luck with that one. "Keep warm and well fed and get lost" would be the traditional response.

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McFree v. Watchtower!

by Atlantis in

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mcfree v. watchtower.

a us federal judge has ruled against watch tower pennsylvania, denying their dmca subpoena to identify the creator of the jehovah's witness parody videos known as "dubtown.. .

see last page (page 20).

dozy

Ahh - well done , Kevin! I love the Dubtown videos. There is a big gap in the market out there for someone with the technical and creative abilities to satirise the JW Society/Org ( albeit that they almost seem to set out to unconsciously parody themselves much of the time. )

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Can you be a JW who does not have the GB as their leader?

by DoubtingThomas in

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i am.. they are just fellow brothers, old and getting senile.... but enlightened, despite all the whining.....

dozy

My cousin is in roughly the same place as DT and has tried to maintain that really challenging position for a few years (ie thinking of the GB a bit like the bad kings of Israel to be respected but not idolised- don't throw the baby out with the bathwater - some unique doctrines like neutrality , against the Trinity etc ). He admits it is something of a fudge but for inertia and various family reasons even serves as a MS & does construction work for the Society.

In reality though , so much of the Org is tied up with following the leaders without question and all the meetings are based around that it is an extremely difficult position to maintain (and can never be voiced openly, otherwise the elders come knocking very quickly and you would be kicked out of the Org for daring to criticise the GB).

A much more honest way to go is how Ray Franz depicted in his books , where he made it clear that worshipping God does not involve blindly following a few religious leaders.

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Can you get disfellowship for kissing a person of the same sex?

by pistolpete in

i found this on exjwreddit.

a pimo elder is in the middle of an event where a former co allegedly kissed a brother from another hall.. the co denied it so the other elders are frustrated because they can't have a judicial meeting.

if true, can he be disfellowshipped?

dozy

A kiss is just a kiss - as Bluesbrother stated , its not in itself a DFing offence , even between men. But doubtless the elders would want to investigate , especially if COs are involved.

Re Judicial Committees - I have always found the notion of "repentance" a bit curious anyway. It just seems to be something that is pretty easily faked or mixed up with feelings of guilt / embarrassment when the person gets caught.

In the JCs I was involved in as an elder , I was pretty skeptical with the whole concept. Teenagers doing cigarettes / drugs , adultery , pre-marital sex etc. Nobody really seemed especially sad or guilty - it just seemed to be a process. I suspected that most of the "sins" would never have come to light unless somebody had snitched on them. A pioneer sister confessed to an office sexual romance with a "worldly guy" eight years previously that had only just been revealed due to a complete fluke of circumstances led to her husband finding out. Almost all were just reproved though - some publically , most privately.