There has been a degree of revisionism of the 1975 frenzy in recent times , culminating in an astonishingly misleading video on Jw dot org. which condemns "people who were looking to a certain date".
Posts by dozy
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27Oct 8 1966 Awake! PDF-- pushes 1975 date
by cabasilas indetails about how to download the october 8, 1966 awake!
magazine pdf will appear at the end of this post.
background.
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Does the WTS have a clergy class
by blondie inthis can be confusing because the wts has adjusted from not having a clergy class to not having a "paid" clergy class.. "a congregation of brothers precludes having a proud clergy class that honors itself with high-sounding titles and elevates itself above a laity" wt 6/1/2001 p. 12, pp 11. still same idea in 2021 wt october, p. 20, pp.
7, but 2022 in the wt publication, frequently asked questions about jehovah’s witnesses, page 13, the wts inserts "paid" in front of "clergy perhaps to shore up their current statement in secular courts they have clergy, just not paid) "following the model of first-century christianity, jehovah’s witnesses have no clergy-laity division.
all baptized witnesses are ordained ministers and share in the preaching and teaching work.
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dozy
A Watchtower attorney by the name of Calvin Rouse ( in the Menlo Park case , where the Society were attempting to establish their ownership of a Kingdom Hall ) told a judge: “We are a hierarchical religion just like the Catholic Church.”
The idea that they "aren't paid so we are different" always sounded to me a bit weak even when I was an active JW and I would have struggled to defend it if questioned. The GB are always dressed well and (it would seem) have more than sufficient disposable income if required ( for whisky purchases , for example!) But also - if all your food , accommodation , travel costs , vehicle , laundry , cleaning , vacation costs , healthcare - indeed , every expense is paid for and every service is provided free of charge - what difference in practice does that make from being paid by an organisation? The distinction seems a bit spurious , to me. Indeed - in many ways , it is better than being paid.
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Watchtower Jul 22 - Jesus directed the GB on how to deal with Covid
by Listener in14 jesus provides wise direction in times of crisis.
the benefits of that direction were evident when the covid-19 pandemic broke out.
while many in the world were uncertain about what course to take, jesus made sure that we received clear guidance to keep us safe.
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dozy
Just for comparison , below is a link to the Church of England's guidelines. ( They are , according to the Society , directed by Satan the Devil. ) I honestly don't see anything different in the way that the Watchtower Society has directed matters that shows any specific direction from Jesus. If anything , the Church of England seems a lot more organised in terms of available material - I see nothing similar on the JW dot Org website.
https://www.churchofengland.org/resources/coronavirus-covid-19-guidance#na
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Jehovah's Witnesses: remembering the weird and wacky!
by Vanderhoven7 indo you remember some of the weird and wacky stuff emanating from the watchtower society?
let's make a list from memory that we can use to inject a little humor into our discussions with jehovah's witnesses.
- venus may be an enormous jurassic park.. - germs don't cause disease.. - no beards allowed.
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dozy
The change of thought in 2009 that all unborn babies who died might get a resurrection. My JW sister-in-law , who has had several miscarriages , finds this appealing but when you actually think through the concept and look at the figures , it is a crazy concept.
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I'm Back--Blondie
by blondie inyes, i am posting again.
i could not for awhile technologically and it is now fixed thanks to simon.
thanks, simon!
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4 New GB Helpers
by Reservations inapparently 4 new gb helpers as per reddit.
1) paul gillies.
2) johnathan smith.
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dozy
Gillies just seems a rather uninspiring brown nosing company man. I guess that is the main qualification for progress through the upper echelons of the Org. He is really exceptionally dull and uninspiring , with no noticeable empathy or warmth though - with a manner like a junior Edinburgh lawyer - I don't know how well he would be in front of the cameras of JW Broadcasting.
If he does eventually become appointed ( albeit he must be in his mid 60's by now , so upper age limit for such as post ) , he would be the first British (and first Scot) to be appointed to the GB since Jack Barr (died - oops , sorry , ended his earthly course - 2010 ).
I hate to be cynical, but I just wonder how genuine these sudden claims ( in their middle age ) to be anointed are from obviously ambitious men who clearly have their hearts set on becoming GB members.
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ENOCH & the Watchtower Society
by Honesty ingenesis 5.
5 so all the days of adam that he lived amounted to nine hundred and thirty years and he died.
8 so all the days of seth amounted to nine hundred and twelve years and he died.
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dozy
According to the JWs Enoch was a righteous man, and other violent people wanted to kill him. To prevent this from happening God killed Enoch himself.
Sounds familiar. According to the Society , the world is so wicked that God decides to end the wickedness by killing over 99.9% of the earth's population including women , children and new born babies. Ditto the flood ( with the particular irony that the supposed bad guys actually survived. )
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May 2022 Study Watchtower - FAKE prophecy again for JW's
by BoogerMan inmay 2022 study watchtower page 6, par.
5 “satan instigated an attack on the anointed brothers who were taking the lead in the kingdom-preaching work.
prominent ones among them were the figurative “two witnesses” spoken of as being killed.”.
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dozy
Fredrick Franz did notice the discrepancy, so in a footnote to the "Revelation"-book
There was much debate as to how involved the (then) 95 year old Franz had in writing the book.
Although pretty senile by then , it is possible that Franz did have some input - notably after he died , the Climax book was substantially revised (we all remember the long list of changes to the book before it was studied for a third time.) His superb expertise in numerous languages , such as biblical Greek , would doubtless have been helpful to the writing committee.
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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars
by Newly Enlightened inoriginal reddit post (removed).
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dozy
Is his final "confessional" livestream still up on Youtube? I was looking for it the other day but couldn't see it. Admittedly , it was a bit of a car crash.
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Governing Body needs qualified ''early to mid-twenty year old elders''
by RULES & REGULATIONS inhttps://avoidjw.org/files/en/docs/doc-s/s-147/2022/s-147-22.01-e_bi.pdf.
avoidjw.org has posted a letter titled, ''announcements and reminders january 2022.''.
the governing body are always changing bible procedures.
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dozy
This must be a massive need and a huge demographic leadership issue for the Org that they are pushing for really young elders to be appointed. My still-in JW uncle has a group picture of his last elders school on his mantelpiece (he's well into his early 80's - basically just an elder in name only as he doesn't do much now and zero during covid.). Probably 90% of the elders are late middle aged or older. Some looked like they had just been let out of the nursing home for the day.