This is something I got from http://www.bible-researcher.com/new-world.html quote "In his book Crisis of Conscience Raymond Franz, a former member of the Governing Body of the Jehovah's Witnesses, describes some interesting conversations that he had with the principal translator of the version, who happened to be his uncle. He recounts that between 1965 and 1971, while engaged in preparing a Bible dictionary (published in 1971 under the title Aid to Bible Understanding), he sought guidance on a number of questions from Frederick Franz, who "was acknowledged as the organization's principal Bible scholar." We reproduce below several paragraphs from Crisis of Conscience (pages 21-24) for the light they shed upon the New World Translation and one of its translators, and also for the wise observations of the author concerning the interpretation of the Bible." end quote Oh..... so I understand now, this bible dictionary IS the "aid to bible understanding. Now Ray Franz was D'fed on Dec 31 1981 so the aid to bible understanding book was used from 1971 to 1981 a total of ten years. Just think of that!! the jdubs used the aid to bible understanding book in the door to door work apparently under angelic direction that was written by Ray Franz who was about to become apostate( That is a harsh term for Ray, he really got fed up with the whole show I think ) Terry you say that the aid to bible understanding book is banished forever. What replaced it. Was it indeed yanked by the WTS.? Has the WTS recommended that jdubs not use the aid to bible understanding in the door to door work? Another thing bugs me. Did the WTS announce publicly at the kingdom halls the d"ing of Ray Franz or was it all hush hush??.
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When did the governing body start ruling
by hijack ini have started my own research as to what day the gb took power and here is what i found.
http://www.nucleus.com/~faxdir/jwrumble.html.
and then this site http://gwest59.tripod.com/christislord/id46.html says that the gb did the following adjustment.
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Great prophecy about false prophets, lets hope it come true soon
by jwfacts inmiller used the idea that the 7 times of daniel 4 was a prophecy and made it fit to end in 1843, and then 1844. .
in 1840 john dowling predicted that millers prophecy would not come true in "an exposition of the prophecies, supposed by william miller to predict the second coming of christ, in 1843".
what he wrote is insightful and equally applicable to the watchtower society.
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1914 is the famous date that the WTS base everything on. The entire foundation of the WTS sits there.
The generation of 1914 will not pass away according to the WTS but will see either one of two things at armaggedon or shortly after
1. If you are a remnant (this includes the GB) then you will be raised in the twinkling of an eye to heavenly life without suffering death (how convenient for the GB). There is only room for 144,000 as heaven is a bit cramped.
2. If you are of the great crowd (you must be a jdub to be in the great crowd) then at armaggedon you will be saved from destruction but your worldly neighbours will melt into a puddle of biological refuse.
The WTS offer no 3rd condition
That is why they knock at your door because they sincerely believe you (the worldlings)will be destroyed at armaggedon. If you are a good person and help others out and live by the golden rule but are not a jdub then you will still die at armaggedon.
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When did the governing body start ruling
by hijack ini have started my own research as to what day the gb took power and here is what i found.
http://www.nucleus.com/~faxdir/jwrumble.html.
and then this site http://gwest59.tripod.com/christislord/id46.html says that the gb did the following adjustment.
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hi moggy
Where can you get ray franz book?? I've just got to get one.
So fred is rays uncle . I heard that fred d'fed his nephew from the GB. Got any details as to why and when that hapened
Also who elected ray to the GB? (who approved of it)
I'm sure glad ray wrote a book on the WTS.
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Does anyone have this WTS book
by hijack inbabylon the great has fallen god;s kingdom rules.
the above book is full of wrong dates.
i can remember studying that one.. it was studied at least twice at the book studies because the gb body said to study it again since new information had come to light and the book needed to be studied again.
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quote (from BGF book) Jehovah’s witnesses were again free, boldly proclaiming God’s kingdom publicly! What had happened? It must have been that Babylon the Great had fallen! This, although she had not yet been destroyed. The Lamb of God on the heavenly Mount Zion had played his role as the Liberator greater than Cyrus but as foreshadowed by Cyrus. He had defeated Babylon the Great and had caused her fall and had liberated his faithful followers, the modern-day remnant of Christian witnesses of Jehovah. Just as after the fall of ancient Babylon and the release of Jehovah’s people it could be announced to Zion, "Thy God reigneth!" so the establishment of God’s heavenly kingdom at the end of the Gentile Times in 1914 portended that Babylon the Great was soon to fall. Condemned by her misconduct since the end of the Gentile Times in 1914, she stood condemned before the heavenly tribunal of Jehovah God. His judgment was rendered against her, and she fell in the spring of the year 1919.—Revelation 14:7, 8. end quote Charles taze russel sold his fathers 5 habberdashery shops in 1916 to start zions watchtower. Russel also predicted the world would end in 1918 but it did not. When it did not end, russel conluded that something invisible has happened. Something had ended in 1918 but it was hard to tell, as it was invisible. The same thing happens agian in 1963 in the "babylon the great had fallen" book. The WTS declares that babylon the great had fallen in 1919 but this "falling" is invisible. How convenient. Anytime your prediction does not turn out, just argue that it must be invisible!
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Does anyone have this WTS book
by hijack inbabylon the great has fallen god;s kingdom rules.
the above book is full of wrong dates.
i can remember studying that one.. it was studied at least twice at the book studies because the gb body said to study it again since new information had come to light and the book needed to be studied again.
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Babylon the great has fallen god;s kingdom rules
The above book is full of wrong dates. I can remember studying that one.
It was studied at least twice at the book studies because the GB body said to study it again since new information had come to light and the book needed to be studied again. This book is hard core WTS material full of dates that are wrong. This book is real proof that the WTS are false prophets and hypocrites that Jesus warned about
I did a internet search and the book is not online. It is at EBay and other book sites for a price. I think it came out in 1963 could be wrong though. Maybe some EX JW has that book in there library and would not mind scanning afew pages and sending it here.
Frick I get hungry when I type this stuff.
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When did the governing body start ruling
by hijack ini have started my own research as to what day the gb took power and here is what i found.
http://www.nucleus.com/~faxdir/jwrumble.html.
and then this site http://gwest59.tripod.com/christislord/id46.html says that the gb did the following adjustment.
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I have started my own research as to what day the GB took power and here is what I found
http://www.nucleus.com/~faxdir/jwrumble.html
And then this site http://gwest59.tripod.com/ChristIsLord/id46.html says that the GB did the following adjustment
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The last page of the February 1, 1976, Watchtower, was devoted to a notification entitled "Governing Body Adjustments." The article advised that the Governing Body had, as of January 1, 1976, formed six supervisory committees: Service Committee, Writing Committee, Publishing Committee, Teaching Committee, Personnel Committee, and Chairman's Committee. This was, of course, big news in the world of JWs. Prior to this time virtually all important policy- and procedure-making decisions depended ultimately upon the approval of one man--the Society's president, Nathan H. Knorr. The February 1 article did not elaborate, but it soon became clear within Brooklyn Bethel that these committees were now operating with a measure of authority that previously had been possessed only by Knorr. The president of the Society no longer wielded absolute, total control.
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so it seems that Jan 1/ 1976 is when the GB had full control (read further in the above link)
To answer my own earlier question" on what day did the GB start to rule"
It seems they took power gradually like any dictator would.
The more I read on the internet about the WTS the more I realize how diabilical they are. The WTS is now more fragmented than ever before but the GB still has full control.
Did you know that the district of Brooklyn New york looses 10 million dollars a year to property tax because the WTS headquartes are tax exempt. There are some 3000 bethelites living in a compound there all connected by a tunnel system(the tunnels are owned by the WTS). The bethelites have to use the tunnels when traveling between buildings of the compound or they'll get stabbed. There was a recent stabbing there because a bethelite did not use the tunnel and he was found bleeding outside and a WTS ambulance loaded him up. Yes the WTS has it's own ambulance service. In fact they are a self contained unit that feeds off the estates of deceased widows and the gullable publishers (watchtower pushers at your door) who give any excess money they have into the contribution boxes at the kingdom hall.
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"Quotes" site litigation thought
by robhic innarkissos just put me onto the most recent thread explaining the end of this litigation.
sorry i'm late to the discussion.
first off, let me say that that site was a major beacon of light for all interested in reading past "truth.
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From the above link
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1. GOVERNING BODY: The Governing Body is made
up of brothers who are anointed servants of Jehoover
God. They act as representatives of the “faithful and discreet
slave” class which has the responsibility for giving
direction and impetus to the Kingdom work. (Matt. 24:45)
While the Governing Body delegates certain details or
responsibilities to committees made up of its own members,
or committees made up of other dedicated servants
of God, or to instruments such as corporations and
legal agencies, it always takes the lead for the smooth
functioning of the organization and the unity of all of
God’s people. As the Governing Body, it has the prerogative
to use its discretion and look into any matters it
deems necessary to examine with regard to the Kingdom
work.End quote
On what day did the governing body start to rule? There must have been a specific date that this occured on (maybe when the planets lined up) Frederick Franz opposed the idea because as president he liked the way things were, but the GB was determined to rule. Imagine the seance on that day. They must of had a 2 hour prayer to jehoooover. When the modem said DTR they said CTS then the data stream came, then there was a final ACK. That was it, a stupendous moment in the WTS history
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"Quotes" site litigation thought
by robhic innarkissos just put me onto the most recent thread explaining the end of this litigation.
sorry i'm late to the discussion.
first off, let me say that that site was a major beacon of light for all interested in reading past "truth.
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My thoughts exactly!
The WTS stance is to approach law suits that violate copyright law cauiously because the resulting publicity damages their cause
I'd really like to see the watchtower and awake in PDF format on some site please. That way JWD could crucify the WTS with there own literature. Some other literature I would like to see online are:
(I don't remember the exact book titles - sorry)
Paradise lost - Paradise gained (A pink coloured book- full of diabolical pictures - 60's era)
The babylon book (red as thick as their bible- 70s era - full of wrong dates)
You can live forever in paradise on earth (red book - 80's era- this is the way it is!)
All nations shall know that Iam jehoover (green? 70's era- armageddon would come before 2000)
The youth book (small red 80's era - self abuse is a sin)
That is all I can remember. Anyone else want to add to the list??
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This will knock your socks off
by hijack inhttp://www.cultureshocksolution.org/public_html/jw%20secret%20book.htm
is anyone familiar with this?
does anyone have links to the secret elders manual?.
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hi reexaminer
Do you know if kent won that court battle or is he still being prosecuted. I think he went to court as far back as 1996 over this. But what about now??
You claim that the secret manual has been online for 3 months. Does that mean the WTS has given up trying to sue every internet service provider that hosts the manual? Or is it literally impossible for the WTS to keep up this insane lawsuit tatic because the computer is the supreme entity of duplication
It seems sites that host the manual have in fact done the WTS a favour by acting as a better communications link than the governing body had ever hoped for. The GB should just give up and send a memo to all elders and have them download the manual themselves. Of course the GB will have to remove the shroud of secrecy that exists with the manual. Think they will??
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This will knock your socks off
by hijack inhttp://www.cultureshocksolution.org/public_html/jw%20secret%20book.htm
is anyone familiar with this?
does anyone have links to the secret elders manual?.
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http://www.cultureshocksolution.org/public_html/JW%20Secret%20Book.htm
Is anyone familiar with this? Does anyone have links to the secret elders manual?
The governing body is Jehoovers instrument. He has direct contact with then via holy spirit at 56 kilobit per second. The governing body are annointed by Jehoovers spirit and will sue the pants off anyone that violate copyright laws. After all the secret book is part of being saved, so why not let the whole world read that book???