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  Fabrication in Gospels

  by SickofLies in

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  jesus was a spiritual and political leader of great renown.

  the sick came from miles around to seek his miraculous healing powers.

  at the height of his popularity, he triumphantly entered jerusalem with his followers, appeared to declare himself the messiah, violently disrupted the business of the temple, and, after being tried by pontius pilate himself, was put to death as a revolutionary.

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  God's Truth – Lies

  Would the partisans of Christ have set out deliberately to lie? Were they such barefaced charlatans that they concocted falsehoods and deceits merely to advance themselves and their designs? By their own admission, YES they were. They may well have been believers, in that they held to a certain faith. On this was built the fanaticism either to die, or to kill others, for that faith. But faith absolves the believer from any fidelity to objective truth.

  Religious fantasy advances in small steps by which those who already ‘see a higher truth’ help the less gifted to achieve that sublime state by using various devices. In Jewish tradition, one such a device was ‘midrash’, the teasing out of new, contemporary meanings from antique, sacred texts. By such means, the scribes could resolve a current issue by interpreting what the scripture had ‘really meant’ all along. Was that a lie?

  False accreditation was another much used method, common practice during antiquity. Most of the texts in both the Hebrew bible and the New Testament were forged in the names of their authors to give them ‘authority.’ This merely helped others recognise 'the higher truths' presented to them. Who could argue with Solomon, say, or Apostles of the Lord?
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  Fabrication in Gospels

  by SickofLies in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  jesus was a spiritual and political leader of great renown.

  the sick came from miles around to seek his miraculous healing powers.

  at the height of his popularity, he triumphantly entered jerusalem with his followers, appeared to declare himself the messiah, violently disrupted the business of the temple, and, after being tried by pontius pilate himself, was put to death as a revolutionary.

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  Invisible Friend

  'Jesus of Nazareth' supposedly lived in what is the most well-documented period of antiquity – the first century of the Christian era – yet not a single non-Christian source mentions the miracle worker from the sky. All references – including the notorious insertions in Josephus – stem from partisan Christian sources (and Josephus himself, much argued over, was not even born until after the supposed crucifixion). The horrendous truth is that the Christian Jesus was manufactured from plundered sources, re-purposed for the needs of the early Church.

  It is not with a human being that the Jesus myth begins. Christ is not a deified man but a humanised god who happened to be given the name Yeshu. Those real Jesuses, those that lived and died within normal human parameters, may have left stories and legends behind, later cannibalised by Christian scribes as source material for their own hero, but it is not with any flesh and blood rebel/rabbi/wonder-worker that the story begins. Rather, its genesis is in theology itself.
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  Ghosts, Demons, or Imagination?

  by ButtLight in

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  ok, its happened again!

  but not to me this time, my 12 year old son.. last night he fell asleep on the couch, so i left him there and went to bed.

  he wolk up about 3 am, and walked upstairs to his bedroom.

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  SickofLies

  Maybe buying you kid a nice clown will cheer him up?
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  Ghosts, Demons, or Imagination?

  by ButtLight in

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  2. friends

  ok, its happened again!

  but not to me this time, my 12 year old son.. last night he fell asleep on the couch, so i left him there and went to bed.

  he wolk up about 3 am, and walked upstairs to his bedroom.

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  The ghost are real I sent them there Muhhahahahah!!
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  Fabrication in Gospels

  by SickofLies in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  jesus was a spiritual and political leader of great renown.

  the sick came from miles around to seek his miraculous healing powers.

  at the height of his popularity, he triumphantly entered jerusalem with his followers, appeared to declare himself the messiah, violently disrupted the business of the temple, and, after being tried by pontius pilate himself, was put to death as a revolutionary.

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  But was there a crucified Jesus?

  Certainly. Jesus ben Stada was a Judean agitator who gave the Romans a headache in the early years of the second century. He met his end in the town of Lydda (twenty five miles from Jerusalem) at the hands of a Roman crucifixion crew. And given the scale that Roman retribution could reach – at the height of the siege of Jerusalem the Romans were crucifying upwards of five hundred captives a day before the city walls – dead heroes called Jesus would (quite literally) have been thick on the ground. Not one merits a full-stop in the great universal history.

  But then with so many Jesuses could there not have been a Jesus of Nazareth?

  The problem for this notion is that absolutely nothing at all corroborates the sacred biography and yet this 'greatest story' is peppered with numerous anachronisms, contradictions and absurdities. For example, at the time that Joseph and the pregnant Mary are said to have gone off to Bethlehem for a supposed Roman census, Galilee (unlike Judaea) was not a Roman province and therefore ma and pa would have had no reason to make the journey. Even if Galilee had been imperial territory, history knows of no ‘universal census’ ordered by Augustus (nor any other emperor) – and Roman taxes were based on property ownership not on a head count. Then again, we now know that Nazareth did not exist before the second century.

  It is mentioned not at all in the Old Testament nor by Josephus, who waged war across the length and breadth of Galilee (a territory about the size of Greater London) and yet Josephus records the names of dozens of other towns. In fact most of the ‘Jesus-action’ takes place in towns of equally doubtful provenance, in hamlets so small only partisan Christians know of their existence (yet well attested pagan cities, with extant ruins, failed to make the Jesus itinerary).

  What should alert us to wholesale fakery here is that practically all the events of Jesus’s supposed life appear in the lives of mythical figures of far more ancient origin. Whether we speak of miraculous birth, prodigious youth, miracles or wondrous healings – all such 'signs' had been ascribed to other gods, centuries before any Jewish holy man strolled about. Jesus’s supposed utterances and wisdom statements are equally common place, being variously drawn from Jewish scripture, neo-Platonic philosophy or commentaries made by Stoic and Cynic sages.
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  Fabrication in Gospels

  by SickofLies in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  jesus was a spiritual and political leader of great renown.

  the sick came from miles around to seek his miraculous healing powers.

  at the height of his popularity, he triumphantly entered jerusalem with his followers, appeared to declare himself the messiah, violently disrupted the business of the temple, and, after being tried by pontius pilate himself, was put to death as a revolutionary.

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  Was there a Jesus? Of course there was a Jesus – many!

  The archetypal Jewish hero was Joshua (the successor of Moses) otherwise known as Yeshua ben Nun (‘Jesus of the fish’). Since the name Jesus (Yeshua or Yeshu in Hebrew, Ioshu in Greek, source of the English spelling) originally was a title (meaning ‘saviour’, derived from ‘Yahweh Saves’) probably every band in the Jewish resistance had its own hero figure sporting this moniker, among others.

  Josephus, the first century Jewish historian mentions no fewer than nineteen different Yeshuas/Jesii, about half of them contemporaries of the supposed Christ! In his Antiquities, of the twenty-eight high priests who held office from the reign of Herod the Great to the fall of the Temple, no fewer than four bore the name Jesus: Jesus ben Phiabi, Jesus ben Sec, Jesus ben Damneus and Jesus ben Gamaliel. Even Saint Paul makes reference to a rival magician, preaching ‘another Jesus’ (2 Corinthians 11,4). The surfeit of early Jesuses includes:

  Jesus ben Sirach. This Jesus was reputedly the author of the Book of Sirach (aka 'Ecclesiasticus, or the Wisdom of Jesus the Son of Sirach'), part of Old Testament Apocrypha. Ben Sirach, writing in Greek about 180 BC, brought together Jewish 'wisdom' and Homeric-style heroes.

  Jesus ben Pandira. A wonder-worker during the reign of Alexander Jannaeus (106-79 BC), one of the most ruthless of the Maccabean kings. Imprudently, this Jesus launched into a career of end-time prophesy and agitation which upset the king. He met his own premature end-time by being hung on a tree – and on the eve of a Passover. Scholars have speculated this Jesus founded the Essene sect.

  Jesus ben Ananias. Beginning in 62AD, this Jesus had caused disquiet in Jerusalem with a non-stop doom-laden mantra of ‘Woe to the city’. He prophesied rather vaguely:

  "A voice from the east, a voice from the west, a voice from the four winds, a voice against Jerusalem and the holy house, a voice against the bridegrooms and the brides, and a voice against the whole people." (Josephus, Wars 6:3)

  Arrested and flogged by the Romans, he was released as nothing more dangerous than a mad man. He died during the siege of Jerusalem from a rock hurled by a Roman catapult.

  Jesus ben Saphat. In the insurrection of 68AD that wrought havoc in Galilee, this Jesus had led the rebels in Tiberias. When the city was about to fall to Vespasian’s legionaries he fled north to Tarichea on the Sea of Galilee.

  Jesus ben Gamala. During 68/69 AD this Jesus was a leader of the ‘peace party’ in the civil war wrecking Judaea. From the walls of Jerusalem he had remonstrated with the besieging Idumeans (led by ‘James and John, sons of Susa’). It did him no good. When the Idumeans breached the walls he was put to death and his body thrown to the dogs and carrion birds.

  Jesus ben Thebuth. A priest who, in the final capitulation of the upper city in 69AD, saved his own skin by surrendering the treasures of the Temple, which included two holy candlesticks, goblets of pure gold, sacred curtains and robes of the high priests. The booty figured prominently in the Triumph held for Vespasian and his son Titus.

  http://www.jesusneverexisted.com/surfeit.htm
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  Spanish Apostates??

  by RichieRich in

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  i know this is an english language forum, but i was contacted by someone who has a flock book in spanish that they are willing to give to the cause.

  should i send it to my normal pdf person?

  as always, a pm will do.

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  SickofLies

  Hey, don't worry about it, I have been recieveing flack for my project to, I don't understand why so many apologists seem to lurk around here just to try and critize people when they try and start projects to get information out to the public.
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  Fabrication in Gospels

  by SickofLies in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  jesus was a spiritual and political leader of great renown.

  the sick came from miles around to seek his miraculous healing powers.

  at the height of his popularity, he triumphantly entered jerusalem with his followers, appeared to declare himself the messiah, violently disrupted the business of the temple, and, after being tried by pontius pilate himself, was put to death as a revolutionary.

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  Did Jesus Begin as a Myth?

  A conventional perspective on Jesus is that he was a real man in Galilee who had some followers, but that later on supernatural elements and outlandish stories became attached to this real figure.

  But evidence suggests the development of the Jesus character happened the other way around. The otherwordly, god-like qualities appear to have been there first, and only later did historicity become added as one of his attributes--and quite clumsily.
  http://www.thegodmovie.com/clip-JesusBeginMyth.php
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  Fabrication in Gospels

  by SickofLies in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  jesus was a spiritual and political leader of great renown.

  the sick came from miles around to seek his miraculous healing powers.

  at the height of his popularity, he triumphantly entered jerusalem with his followers, appeared to declare himself the messiah, violently disrupted the business of the temple, and, after being tried by pontius pilate himself, was put to death as a revolutionary.

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  Jesus was a spiritual and political leader of great renown. The sick came from miles around to seek his miraculous healing powers. At the height of his popularity, he triumphantly entered Jerusalem with his followers, appeared to declare himself the Messiah, violently disrupted the business of the temple, and, after being tried by Pontius Pilate himself, was put to death as a revolutionary.

  Given these facts, Jesus would have been one of the most remarkable figures in Palestine. Yet not one historian of the time thought that this man was important enough to note, even in passing.

  In fact, there were not even any Gospel accounts for years following the supposed death of Jesus.

  How many years?

  http://www.thegodmovie.com/clip-TheGap.php Check it out!

  Anyone else know of any good links that show how the gospels were fabricated?
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  News About 2006 Memorial

  by Severus in

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  this is a call to action.

  please read.

  jehovah's witnesses will be celebrating the memorial of jesus death on wednesday, april 12th.

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  If just one person is helped, this campign is worth it.