Yea , it is. Alot of info, but good info. It is really intended to be used as a witnessing tool. Alot of people don't even know where to get some of the info I posted, so I just gave it, as well as what the scriptures I use say.
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9The Local KH is really going to hate me for this (Verses included, LONG.)
by Zone ini'm launching a out out blitzkreg on these people, for two reasons only.. 1. to get them saved.. 2, and if they want to, get them holy ghost filled.. 3 years of research, and it's pretty sad that most of these people won't even see the promise land, because alot of them deny being saved, and refsue to recieve salvation when offered.
it's also pretty sad that these people the church is apart of false religion (conderticts ephisians 4:11 and really would put ezekiel 38-39 null invoid), the holy spirit is god's active force (multiple verses).
most of them will evenrefuse to talk to you, if you ask a question that bad mouthes the watchtower society.
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The Local KH is really going to hate me for this (Verses included, LONG.)
by Zone ini'm launching a out out blitzkreg on these people, for two reasons only.. 1. to get them saved.. 2, and if they want to, get them holy ghost filled.. 3 years of research, and it's pretty sad that most of these people won't even see the promise land, because alot of them deny being saved, and refsue to recieve salvation when offered.
it's also pretty sad that these people the church is apart of false religion (conderticts ephisians 4:11 and really would put ezekiel 38-39 null invoid), the holy spirit is god's active force (multiple verses).
most of them will evenrefuse to talk to you, if you ask a question that bad mouthes the watchtower society.
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I'm launching a out out blitzkreg on these people, for two reasons only.
1. To get them Saved.
2, and if they want to, get them Holy Ghost filled.
3 years of research, and it's pretty sad that most of these people won't even see the promise land, because alot of them deny being saved, and refsue to recieve salvation when offered. It's also pretty sad that these people the church is apart of false religion (conderticts Ephisians 4:11 and really would put Ezekiel 38-39 null invoid), the Holy Spirit is God's active force (Multiple verses). Most of them will evenrefuse to talk to you, if you ask a question that bad mouthes the Watchtower society. And worse yet, makes excuses for them when the WT is clearly wrong on issues.
Then they wanna bring up the fact that they do more witnessing, and worship Jehovah and read the Bible more then anyone else. Look, if you are a JW, read this. I am a 25 year old afro-american, who is in church 4-5 days a week. I attend Mens ministry, Young Adult ministry, aux. tranings (I help out in the Broadcast dept.), and I am in Minister's school. And that dosen't include attending services on Sundays and Wendesdays, which I also do. Am I required to do this? NO! All Im required to do is "Stay Black and Die". . No one is forcing me to do it, no one is saying I have to do this many hours of service to be accepted as one, no one is saying if I miss so many services in a time period, I will be shunned. I do it because I am led to do it, and want to do it. And most importantly, I don't ever feel pressed or perssured doing it. Alot of JWs i come across tend to boast about I'm a regular pioneer or I'm a special pioneer puting X amount of hours into the ministry a month. IMO, who gives 2 cents about how many hours you put into the ministry. How many hours I work a week is the LAST thing I think about, because I'm not thinking about my own personal gain. I'm thinking about saving souls. Not recurting to my church, not trying to inflate my church's numbers, but simpally saving that soul before its' too late. And enjoy every single solitary second of it.
Getting back to the Bible issue,. I am a Buzzsaw, albiet it I'm a prettty weak buzzsaw compared to alot of people in my church, as I'm still learning my way. But, and I hate to brag, many JWs think they know the Bible back and forth. if I mention Have you ever read such and such, and they say no, they turn to it and read it, then try to make excuses on why Im wrong/ I let them finish out, then have them turn to a 2nd, and if possible, 3rd, 4th , 5th and even 6th scripture. By the time I'm done, they won't wanna talk to me no more because A, I just one uped them on scripture, and Im not a JW (this really eats at them, which is sad. I have been taught at my church you can learn something from EVERONE. You should not shut them down because they don't attend the same church as you.), and B, I just destoryed their whole theology using the Bible...and alo tof times, we are using the NWT. And what really gets them is when I ask them to turn to the Book of Nahum or Habakku. You would get one of these. .
Also, it seem slike alot of JWs can't have fun in worshiping Jehovah. Huh? Never heard such a thing in my life. You should be able to dance, smile, be happy, etc. Just rejoycing in the LORD. There have been several times I wanted to do backflips , IN CHURCH buring Praise and Worship, because the joy was so great. (yes, many JWs have bashed this notient as well)
Excuse my tirate, but I'm sick of seeing these people suffer because they simpally just don't know, and in most cases, don't wanna know anything outside the Watchtower feeds them.
I am still refining this, but here unedited scripture, definitions, etc. of which most JWs shold read on their own.
I do know "Faith without works is dead." but does that pertain to Salvation?
I came across 3 scriptures that I found interesting....
Gal 2:16
Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.
Galatians 2:11-21 (context)
11 But when Peter was come to Antioch, I withstood him to the face, because he was to be blamed. 12 For before that certain came from James, he did eat with the Gentiles: but when they were come, he withdrew and separated himself, fearing them which were of the circumcision. 13 And the other Jews dissembled likewise with him; insomuch that Barnabas also was carried away with their dissimulation. 14 But when I saw that they walked not uprightly according to the truth of the gospel, I said unto Peter before them all, If thou, being a Jew, livest after the manner of Gentiles, and not as do the Jews, why compellest thou the Gentiles to live as do the Jews? 15 We who are Jews by nature, and not sinners of the Gentiles, 16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified. 17 But if, while we seek to be justified by Christ, we ourselves also are found sinners, is therefore Christ the minister of sin? God forbid. 18 For if I build again the things which I destroyed, I make myself a transgressor. 19 For I through the law am dead to the law, that I might live unto God. 20 I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me. 21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.
Eph 2:8-9
8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: 9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
Ephesians 2:4-10 (context)
4 But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us, 5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved
2 Tim 1:9
Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,
2 Tim 1:6-14 (context)
6 Wherefore I put thee in remembrance that thou stir up the gift of God, which is in thee by the putting on of my hands. 7 For God hath not given us the spirit of fear; but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind. 8 Be not thou therefore ashamed of the testimony of our Lord, nor of me his prisoner: but be thou partaker of the afflictions of the gospel according to the power of God; 9 Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began, 10 But is now made manifest by the appearing of our Saviour Jesus Christ, who hath abolished death, and hath brought life and immortality to light through the gospel: 11 Whereunto I am appointed a preacher, and an apostle, and a teacher of the Gentiles. 12 For the which cause I also suffer these things: nevertheless I am not ashamed: for I know whom I have believed, F1 and am persuaded that he is able to keep that which I have committed unto him against that day. 13 Hold fast the form of sound words, which thou hast heard of me, in faith and love which is in Christ Jesus. 14 That good thing which was committed unto thee keep by the Holy Ghost which dwelleth in us.
Now explain James 2. James 2 NEVER Talks about Salvation, Saved, Redmeption, etc. The Greeks words for Faith and Salvation isn't linear.
Faith is the greek word Pistis:
1. conviction of the truth of anything, belief; in the NT of a conviction or belief respecting man's relationship to God and divine things, generally with the included idea of trust and holy fervour born of faith and joined with it
1. relating to God
1. the conviction that God exists and is the creator and ruler of all things, the provider and bestower of eternal salvation through Christ
2. relating to Christ
1. a strong and welcome conviction or belief that Jesus is the Messiah, through whom we obtain eternal salvation in the kingdom of God
3. the religious beliefs of Christians
4. belief with the predominate idea of trust (or confidence) whether in God or in Christ, springing from faith in the same
2. fidelity, faithfulness
1. the character of one who can be relied on
Salvation is the Greek Word Soteria
1. deliverance, preservation, safety, salvation
1. deliverance from the molestation of enemies
2. in an ethical sense, that which concludes to the souls safety or salvation
1. of Messianic salvation
2. salvation as the present possession of all true Christians
3. future salvation, the sum of benefits and blessings which the Christians, redeemed from all earthly ills, will enjoy after the visible return of Christ from heaven in the consummated and eternal kingdom of God. __________________ Religion: IMO, Religion and doctrines really what screws people up. Did Jesus/Jehovah have a relgion? Nope, Jehovah has his chosen people, the Jews. Us, as gentiles, should be grateful that we even have a chance to enter his kingdom by Grace. If he never sent Jesus, IMO, were screwed. religious worship- esp. external, that which consists of ceremonies
- religious discipline, religion Manner of prayer, allready been discussed.
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- Andleadusnotintotemptation,butdeliverusfromevil:Forthineis the kingdom,and the power,and the glory,forever.Amen.
- to give
- to give something to someone
- of one's own accord to give one something, to his advantage
- to bestow a gift
- to grant, give to one asking, let have
- to supply, furnish, necessary things
- to give over, deliver
- to reach out, extend, present
- of a writing
- to give over to one's care, intrust, commit 2d
- something to be administered 2d
- to give or commit to some one something to be religiously observed
- to give what is due or obligatory, to pay: wages or reward
- to furnish, endue
- to give
- to cause, profuse, give forth from one's self
- to give, hand out lots
- to appoint to an office
- to cause to come forth, i.e. as the sea, death and Hell are said to give up the dead who have been engulfed or received by them
- to give one to someone as his own
- as an object of his saving care
- to give one to someone, to follow him as a leader and master
- to give one to someone to care for his interests
- to give one to someone to whom he already belonged, to return
- to grant or permit one
- to commission
- Lu 1:15
- For he shall begreat in the sight of the Lord,and shall drinkneitherwinenor strong drink;and he shall be filled with the HolyGhost,evenfromhismother'swomb.
- Lu 1:41
- And it came to pass, that, whenElisabethheard the salutation of Mary, the babeleapedinherwomb;andElisabeth was filled with the HolyGhost:
- Lu 1:67
- AndhisfatherZacharias was filled with the HolyGhost,andprophesied, saying,
- Ac 2:4
- And they wereallfilled with the HolyGhost,andbegan to speak withothertongues,as the Spiritgavethemutterance.
- Ac 4:8
- ThenPeter,filled with the HolyGhost,saiduntothem, Ye rulers of the people,andelders of Israel,
- Ac 4:31
- And when they had prayed, the place was shakenwheretheywere assembled together; and they wereallfilled with the HolyGhost,and they spake the word of Godwithboldness.
- Ac 5:3
- ButPetersaid, Ananias,why hath Satanfilledthinehearttolie to the HolyGhost,and to keep back part of the price of the land?
- Ac 9:17
- AndAnanias went his way, andenteredinto the house;andputting his handsonhimsaid, BrotherSaul, the Lord, even Jesus, that appeared unto theein the wayas thou camest, hath sentme,that thou mightest receive thy sight, and be filledwith the HolyGhost.
- Ac 13:9
- ThenSaul,* (who also is called Paul,)filledwith the HolyGhost*, set his eyesonhim,
- Ac 13:52
- And the disciples were filledwithjoy,and with the HolyGhost.
Filled with the Holy Spirit.
- esp. external, that which consists of ceremonies
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Do JWs know about the phrophecy of Ezekiel?
by Zone inin particular, ezekiel chapters 33-39. everything up to then end of 37 has allreadyhappened.
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In particular, Ezekiel Chapters 33-39. Everything up to then end of 37 has allreadyhappened.
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I sent him a letter, here is his reply!
by Matt_fs inhey folks,.
for those of you who dont know, i sent my jw friend a letter " http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/10/121182/1.ashx " after about 3 weeks, i got his reply in my inbox.
i was pretty excited to read it, but only was i disappointed with some of the things he said, and ill explain that after you read it, so here it is: .
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Like someone told me, only the strong willed can escaped the orginization. Sadly, most of them are not.
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King of tre North , King of the South , Babylon thr Great etc etc...
by youcanhaveago inaren't all these predictions , assumptions as to the identity of these all giant leaps of faith ?.
doesn't the bible says that the book of revelations meaning is sealed up until the end of times?.
does the fds class actually say it is inspired - do they talk to god directly ?.
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Eze chapters 33-39 will give you this answer. Also, Chapters 38-39 will give you a sence of what 'False Religion' (I admit, context cluses only, but the nations named are predominly Musulium Nations) will be crushed when they invade Jersulam.
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Why is Jesus absent in the Old Testament?
by lovelylil ini raised a question on the is jesus god thread but am not getting any answer so i thought i would open up the discussion for the rest of the forum as i am currently trying to research this topic.
bare with me while i give some background here and please read it carefully: .
but most people say no it was only an angel.
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There are between 100 and 110 references to Jesus in the OT, not by name. The only difference between Jews and Christians is this: Jews believe in the Mesiah, most don't think it was Jesus however.
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Asiaweek Quote from new JW Tract
by moomanchu inacross asia and beyond,power-hungry leaders are cynically manipulating people's religious sentiments for their own needs.
as the world threatens to sink into madness, it is time for a rethink.
the rationalists international, an organization based in india, recently asked: "has anyone noticed there is an elephant in the room?
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I get a kick out of how the tract talks about false religon, but only implies it towards Catholics and Christendom.
Most JWs fail to realize that False Religion refers Islam, Bhuddaism, etc. Even less even know that Islam's roots is in Genesis as well(Hagai/Ishmael).
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The Dubs accepted my invite, lets see where this goes.
by Zone inthey ried to talk to me over the phone about my issues, but i told them "i wanna talk to someone, in person, face to face.
" they young guy on the other end seemed kinda stunned, and handed the phone to a older guy, who accepted my invite.
i'll let you know how it goes..
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Lady, It has taken me 3 years to A, understand them, B, research and C, get understanding for my self the best way to deal with them.
Anyway, here are the scriptures and the definitions I generally use.
Gal 2:16
Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.
Galatians 2:11-21 (context)
11 But when Peter was come to Antioch, I withstood him to the face, because he was to be blamed. 12 For before that certain came from James, he did eat with the Gentiles: but when they were come, he withdrew and separated himself, fearing them which were of the circumcision. 13 And the other Jews dissembled likewise with him; insomuch that Barnabas also was carried away with their dissimulation. 14 But when I saw that they walked not uprightly according to the truth of the gospel, I said unto Peter before them all, If thou, being a Jew, livest after the manner of Gentiles, and not as do the Jews, why compellest thou the Gentiles to live as do the Jews? 15 We who are Jews by nature, and not sinners of the Gentiles, 16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified. 17 But if, while we seek to be justified by Christ, we ourselves also are found sinners, is therefore Christ the minister of sin? God forbid. 18 For if I build again the things which I destroyed, I make myself a transgressor. 19 For I through the law am dead to the law, that I might live unto God. 20 I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me. 21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.
Eph 2:8-9
8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: 9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
Ephesians 2:4-10 (context)
4 But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us, 5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved
2 Tim 1:9
Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,
2 Tim 1:6-14 (context)
6 Wherefore I put thee in remembrance that thou stir up the gift of God, which is in thee by the putting on of my hands. 7 For God hath not given us the spirit of fear; but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind. 8 Be not thou therefore ashamed of the testimony of our Lord, nor of me his prisoner: but be thou partaker of the afflictions of the gospel according to the power of God; 9 Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began, 10 But is now made manifest by the appearing of our Saviour Jesus Christ, who hath abolished death, and hath brought life and immortality to light through the gospel: 11 Whereunto I am appointed a preacher, and an apostle, and a teacher of the Gentiles. 12 For the which cause I also suffer these things: nevertheless I am not ashamed: for I know whom I have believed, F1 and am persuaded that he is able to keep that which I have committed unto him against that day. 13 Hold fast the form of sound words, which thou hast heard of me, in faith and love which is in Christ Jesus. 14 That good thing which was committed unto thee keep by the Holy Ghost which dwelleth in us.Faith is the greek word Pistis:
1. conviction of the truth of anything, belief; in the NT of a conviction or belief respecting man's relationship to God and divine things, generally with the included idea of trust and holy fervour born of faith and joined with it
1. relating to God
1. the conviction that God exists and is the creator and ruler of all things, the provider and bestower of eternal salvation through Christ
2. relating to Christ
1. a strong and welcome conviction or belief that Jesus is the Messiah, through whom we obtain eternal salvation in the kingdom of God
3. the religious beliefs of Christians
4. belief with the predominate idea of trust (or confidence) whether in God or in Christ, springing from faith in the same
2. fidelity, faithfulness
1. the character of one who can be relied on
Salvation is the Greek Word Soteria
1. deliverance, preservation, safety, salvation
1. deliverance from the molestation of enemies
2. in an ethical sense, that which concludes to the souls safety or salvation
1. of Messianic salvation
2. salvation as the present possession of all true Christians
3. future salvation, the sum of benefits and blessings which the Christians, redeemed from all earthly ills, will enjoy after the visible return of Christ from heaven in the consummated and eternal kingdom of God. -
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The Dubs accepted my invite, lets see where this goes.
by Zone inthey ried to talk to me over the phone about my issues, but i told them "i wanna talk to someone, in person, face to face.
" they young guy on the other end seemed kinda stunned, and handed the phone to a older guy, who accepted my invite.
i'll let you know how it goes..
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Here is the thing, I usually use 3 scriptures (New Testiment, stating that Salvation isn't of works) and the Greek Definition of Salvation and pick apart James 2, asking them where is a word or symmnom for Salvation in that verse? By that time, they quit talking to me, leaving them dumfounded in the process, or admit they are Saved (which has only happened twice.)
My goal is not to have them leave (thats a big no-no when witnessing to anyone), but get them saved....and maybe Holy Spirit filled if they are bold enought to take that step.
You really got to know your stuff when dealing with them. Like I said above, they only know one scripture for Salvation. I show them 3 scriptures, that ALL say Salvation isn't of works.
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The Dubs accepted my invite, lets see where this goes.
by Zone inthey ried to talk to me over the phone about my issues, but i told them "i wanna talk to someone, in person, face to face.
" they young guy on the other end seemed kinda stunned, and handed the phone to a older guy, who accepted my invite.
i'll let you know how it goes..
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They ried to talk to me over the phone about my issues, but I told them "I wanna talk to someone, in person, face to face." They young guy on the other end seemed kinda stunned, and handed the phone to a older guy, who accepted my invite. I'll let you know how it goes.