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Were the Nephilim sterile? Did they have offspring?

by AuldSoul in

*** it-2 p. 492 nephilim *** .

increased wickedness.

the mighty ones who were of old, the men of fame that were produced by these marriages, were not men of fame with god, for they did not survive the flood, as did noah and his family.

GodisRight

As for the giants reproducing, 1 Enoch 7:5 claims that they had sex with "birds, wild beasts, reptiles, and fish," i.e. not with people

Hmm, does anyone think that maybe the dinosaurs are the result of this unholy union?

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WHO IS JOB?

by GodisRight in

there is not any record of job observing the sabbath.

yet he is god's greatest servant?

was he a non israelite or did he live before the exodus of the isrealites from egypt when the sabbath covenant was made?

GodisRight

The way in which an originally non-Jewish tale is adapted is reminiscent of two other examples: (1) The Book of Balaam Son of Beor, discovered in 8th-century BC plaster fragments at Deir 'Alla, tells an older and more polytheistic version of the non-Israelite Balaam tales later incorporated into Numbers, one of which makes Balaam a worshipper of Yahweh, and (2) Ahiqar, a story about an Aramaean vizier to Assyrian kings, was discovered in 6th-century BC Aramaic fragments in the Jewish colony of Elephantine, is far more polytheistic than the later monotheistic Jewish and Christian versions (and the allusions in 4th-century BC Tobit). I would suspect that there circulated in Judah in the time of the prophet Ezekiel a Yahwistic version of the Danel legend, and similarly there may well have an earlier non-Jewish versions of Job which were quite different in character.

This is the first time I have heard of the "Book of Balaam." I want to read it if that is possible. Initially Balaam didn't seem like such a bad guy until he seduced Israel into sinning against God.

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WHO IS JOB?

by GodisRight in

there is not any record of job observing the sabbath.

yet he is god's greatest servant?

was he a non israelite or did he live before the exodus of the isrealites from egypt when the sabbath covenant was made?

GodisRight

From the reasoning of those who point to Job being tested as proof the debbil is wrong, that man CAN keep his "integrity", and that if we wait long enough we'll all get a Hollywood ending ,that would mean that the Romans view of religion was the most correct. The Romans, inheriting (stealing?) from the Greeks, believed that we humans were just toys for the Gods to dick around with, i.e. we are here for their amusmnet. And, as such, we have no real "free will" except in only narrow, predetermined and prescribe ways.

Hmm, one of the apostles said that the idols the nations sacrifice to are demons, not gods. Certainly it was Satan who "dick" around with Job's life as the test was all his idea. The greek gods were demons. Look at what they were doing to people during Jesus day.

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WHO IS JOB?

by GodisRight in

there is not any record of job observing the sabbath.

yet he is god's greatest servant?

was he a non israelite or did he live before the exodus of the isrealites from egypt when the sabbath covenant was made?

GodisRight

That story is obviously mythical probably produced to make the Jews believe that observing the law though difficult will bring great rewards while not observing it will bring punishment. It's a myth-parable.

I see your point, but Job didn't observe the law? The law seems specific to Israel. Did Job didn't celebrate sabbaths, passovers, or God's laws of cleaniness. In my opinion, Job had easier than the Israelites except for the time he was handed over to Satan.

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WHO IS JOB?

by GodisRight in

there is not any record of job observing the sabbath.

yet he is god's greatest servant?

was he a non israelite or did he live before the exodus of the isrealites from egypt when the sabbath covenant was made?

GodisRight

I used Jah's treatment of Job and his children as an illustration of how we should feel about killing our pets and getting a new one to my sister-in-law.
Job just had some more children and he felt blessed, it didn't matter about the killing of his previous ones. If your pets get sick, just kill them and get some new ones.
Ken P.

Was God at fault for the death of Job's family? It seems that killing Job's family as part of the test was all Satan's idea: God didn't tell him to slay Job's family. Satan could have simply burned down Job's home and wiped out his live stock. But Satan took things to the extream and murder Job's servants and killed his children. Did God even know that the result of this test would cost Job his family? It seems to me that Satan intially critized all the wealth that God have given to Job. The conversation speaks of all the "flocks and herds" that were in Job's possession. God told Satan that everything that Job has in now in Satan's hands. Then the Devil took the test to the extream by murdering the man's family.

9 "Does Job fear God for nothing?" Satan replied. 10 "Have you not put a hedge around him and his household and everything he has? You have blessed the work of his hands, so that his flocks and herds are spread throughout the land. 11 But stretch out your hand and strike everything he has, and he will surely curse you to your face 12 The LORD said to Satan, "Very well, then, everything he has is in your hands, but on the man himself do not lay a finger."
Then Satan went out from the presence of the LORD.

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Dogma of eternal punishment....(before I was a Dub)

by upside/down in

the dogma of eternal punishment and hell is one of the things that led me to question my faith.

we live in a temporal world/universe bound by time.

either (as the faithful believe) the world will be made new after the final judgment, or the universe and humanity will cease to exist (entropy and all that).

GodisRight

The dogma of eternal punishment and hell is one of the things that led me to question my faith.

We live in a temporal world/universe bound by time. Either (as the faithful believe) the world will be made new after the final judgment, or the universe and humanity will cease to exist (entropy and all that). In either case, no crime, no sin, committed in this life can have everlasting effects.

How then, can eternal punishment for a sin having only temporal effects be just?

My answer is that it is unjust.

u/d(of the trying to sound smart class

Well, there was a guy convicted of child molestation. Years later he was released. He raped a girl and then killed her to avoid going back to prison. I figure if God were to destroy this person forever, this guy would not able to harm anyone again.

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WHO IS JOB?

by GodisRight in

there is not any record of job observing the sabbath.

yet he is god's greatest servant?

was he a non israelite or did he live before the exodus of the isrealites from egypt when the sabbath covenant was made?

GodisRight

I have done some quick researching on biblegateway.com

It seems that James believes Job is a literal character.

James 5:11 (New International Version)

11 As you know, we consider blessed those who have persevered. You have heard of Job's perseverance and have seen what the Lord finally brought about. The Lord is full of compassion and mercy.

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WHO IS JOB?

by GodisRight in

there is not any record of job observing the sabbath.

yet he is god's greatest servant?

was he a non israelite or did he live before the exodus of the isrealites from egypt when the sabbath covenant was made?

GodisRight

The fictional ;hero of the Book of Job is named after an older legendary character (along with Noah and Danel in Ezekiel 14:14,20). In both cases he is depicted as non-Israelite (cf., in the Book of Job: "in the land of Uz," Edomite friends, deliberate avoidance of the name Yhwh, etc.).

What legendary character is this? How do you know that this "character" is older? I personally do not know how old the character of Job is. He could be 10,000 years old for all I know. I am just saying that I don't know.

Job belonged to the races of the East which means he was an Edomite or more likely an Aramean. It is not certain when he lived or if he is real at all and scholars place him at any time between Abraham and Moses, most likely he was a real person but the story itself seems to be a myth with a historic kernel that developed over time and it also has a parabolic nature ie faithfulness under testing conditins is likely rewarded.

Esau the brother of Jacob is the forefather of the Edomites right? So maybe Job lived during the time of Israel's slave captivity in Egypt?

I personally can't see how God would expect humans to love him if he makes them suffer as in the case of Job, that is obviously a masochistic mythical element.

Do the modern day Jews believe the book of Job is credible? If so, for how long? Is there any mentioning of the book of Job in the rest of the bible? Did any the apostles qouate from it? God allowed the Isrealites to suffer slavery in Egypt and allow his son to be nailed to stake or cross. So it is still hard for me to question the authenticy of the book of Job. There are examples through out the scriptures of God allowing his servants to suffer. I am not saying that you are wrong, but God did allow for John the Baptise to be thrown in prison and then have his head cut off. So I can't say for sure if God would have allow Satan to do all those horrible things to Job or not.

If you treat your dog nicely it will love you and stay with you if you beat it and ill treat it will run away from you, and who can blame it?

I agree with this statement, but God sees and thinks differently then we do.

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WHO IS JOB?

by GodisRight in

there is not any record of job observing the sabbath.

yet he is god's greatest servant?

was he a non israelite or did he live before the exodus of the isrealites from egypt when the sabbath covenant was made?

GodisRight

There is not any record of Job observing the Sabbath. Yet he is God's greatest servant? Was he a non Israelite or did he live before the exodus of the Isrealites from Egypt when the Sabbath covenant was made? Who is Job?

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Question?

by TimJonz in

is the sabbath of the lord done away with?

GodisRight

Exodus 31 (English Standard Version) 12 And the LORD said to Moses, 13 "You are to speak to the people of Israel and say, 'Above all you shall keep my Sabbaths, for this is a sign between me and you throughout your generations, that you may know that I, the LORD, sanctify you. 14 You shall keep the Sabbath, because it is holy for you. Everyone who profanes it shall be put to death. Whoever does any work on it, that soul shall be cut off from among his people. 15 Six days shall work be done, but the seventh day is a Sabbath of solemn rest, holy to the LORD. Whoever does any work on the Sabbath day shall be put to death. 16 Therefore the people of Israel shall keep the Sabbath, observing the Sabbath throughout their generations, as a covenant forever. 17 It is a sign forever between me and the people of Israel that in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, and on the seventh day he rested and was refreshed.'"

18 And he gave to Moses, when he had finished speaking with him on Mount Sinai, the two tablets of the testimony, tablets of stone, written with the finger of God.

I don't think it matters if the Sabbath was done away with or not: As you can see, when the Sabbath is put into the proper context, it is actually a covenant between God and Israel. Did God ever tell Gentiles to obey the sabbath? Such a deal was never made with anyone outside of Israel. The only reason why breaking the Sabbath was a sin is because God told them not to work on the Sabbath. All other sins like adultry, murder, and stealing are sins in itself. But Sabbath violation is only a sin to the Israelites because God told them to observe it and the Israelites agreed to this. Unless Jacob(Isreal) is your forefather, the sabbath has nothing to do with you. Has God been mentioned any where in bible as being angry with non Isrealites in foreign lands who do not observe the Sabbath?