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BROTHERS & SISTERS - READ THE BROCHURE!

by The Searcher in

jesus always used illustrations to help people reason on the import of what he was saying.

here is an illustration followed by a reality;.

imagine that your heart went out to all those poor people who suffered when fukushima blew up, so much so, that when an internationally renowned charity asked for donations to help those in need, you donated $5000 to the cause.

david_10

I'm not sure what to think about this. I lean toward what OldHippie said, though: Why should a homeowner get to double-dip, so to speak? It doesn't seem fair to me that a homeowner should get his house restored and then be able to keep all the money.

However, it is apparent that the Society is running a scam, and a profitable one at that. It's a real tragedy that anyone can become homeless in the blink of Mother Nature's wrathful eye. But if the Brothers have insurance, then those folks should be able to take care of themselves, and the Society should offer their help to those without the means to pay it back.

The whole point of Christianity is to "love your neighbor", meaning to be generous and compassionate to those who can't repay you. When Jesus healed (supposedly) the 12 lepers, he did it knowing that they wouldn't be able to pay him back; only one of them even bothered to say Thank You. But Jesus didn't seem upset about it.

So does the Society offer relief in places where they know that they won't be repaid? For instance, did they send relief crews to Haiti a couple of years ago in the aftermath of the terrible earthquake? Did they send people, supplies, and money knowing that the only reward would be "treasures in heaven?" Or did they figure that worldly agencies could it handle better? I'd think a little more highly of them if they sent help. My guess is they DID...............but only in the form of token help..........just for show, like the Pharisees..........in order to keep the cost down. Waaaay down. That's the way they operate.

Anyway, I still don't know what to think of a Witness homeowner getting his house fixed for free and then keeping all the money. He shouldn't allow the Brothers to even touch his house; instead, he should direct them to the house across the street where the elderly couple lost everything and have nothing and NEED the help. Now that would be Christian.

I think this stingy, profit-mongering attitude has been inadvertantly instilled in Witnesses by the Society, so maybe the little dogs learned it from the big dog, if you know what I mean.

David

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WTS action on Conti's case 3/27/2013

by mind blown in

as most suspected, the wts filed their brief, at least it looks that way..... http://appellatecases.courtinfo.ca.gov/search/case/dockets.cfm?dist=1&doc_id=2025979&doc_no=a136641.

it also notes aob in excess of word count limit.. wonder if they did that to buy more time?.

david_10

David 10... ''I said in another thread that the Society has something up their sleeve, and, believe me, they do.''

What do they have up their sleeves that you say we should believe you about?

please explain...

Oz

Hello there, Oz. I was just making an observation and expressing an opinion when I made that statement. In fact, the exact quote from the other thread is: " So they've got something up their sleeve. I don't know what it is, but they know how the legal system works and they are very proficient at using it to their advantage."

So I don't know what they have in mind. But it's something. The Society is a devious outfit and they know what they're doing. The jury in the Conti case caught them unawares and blindsided them, and I think that they're still in shock over it; but they'll get their bearings and make a fight out of it before it's over with.

Farkel seems to think the Society's courtroom efforts are laughable. "If any of you have actually seen WTS lawyers defending a case in court, you would laugh so hard you would start hurling. They make the Keystone Cops look like Sherlock Holmes." I sure don't see that. I've never had a ringside seat, so to speak, so I don't know for sure one way or the other, but it's results that count-------------in the last 75 years or so, they've won 48 cases in the United States Supreme Court . Those are remarkable results; unbelievable, in fact. The last time was in 2002 when they argued a case before the supreme court, and, naturally, they won. Instead of being laughed at, it's always been my understanding that everybody is afraid of them and no one wants to go up against them. Personally, I've always felt that the WTBS is the wiliest cat in the jungle.
But Candace beat the mighty Watchtower! That's the most unbelievable thing of all. She beat 'em!!! Even I'm in shock.

So they've got something "up their sleeve." I don't know what it is, but we'll all find out. That's why my gut instinct would be to settle this thing before the momentum shifts. But that might not be too easy to do, though: I'm sure the Society would be happy to settle and get this behind them. However, they probably would insist on inserting a clause in the final wording where they admit no liability and are not responsible for what happened to Candace when she was a child. From what I've read about Candace, there's no way she would sign that. So it'll probably have to go through the entire appeals process. Still, I think she should try, and my bet is her lawyers are working on it. We'll see.

So, Oz, I'm finally getting around to answering your question. And the answer is: take my opinion with a grain of salt.................I'm as much in the dark as everybody else!

Take care.

David

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WTS action on Conti's case 3/27/2013

by mind blown in

as most suspected, the wts filed their brief, at least it looks that way..... http://appellatecases.courtinfo.ca.gov/search/case/dockets.cfm?dist=1&doc_id=2025979&doc_no=a136641.

it also notes aob in excess of word count limit.. wonder if they did that to buy more time?.

david_10

Doubtful. It is nearly impossible that Candace will ever have to testify again. Her only stress will be in the waiting for this to be resolved. She already made it clear she doesn't care much about the money. She has already won because she has dragged the WTS into the sewer where they swim anyway.

It is only going to be emotionally draining for the WTS because ALL they care about...is the money.

Farkel

Howdy Farkel. You might be right. What I'm going on is the statement that was made earlier in this thread: "Kathleen is very emotional about the case. who can blame her" I have no doubt that this is true. I'm sure this applies to Candace, too. I can only imagine...............if it was me, I'd be a nervous wreck right about now.

It seems to me that the Watchtower can drag this out and play with the legal system because they have absolutely nothing to lose. Since they've already lost, they can only improve their position. Candace, on the other hand, has everything to lose. Nobody knows how appellate courts are going to rule, but they've been known to make some pretty controversial decisions. Here in Texas, the Courts of Appeals, more often than not, leave everybody scratching their head and wondering what they could possibly be thinking. So, I wouldn't say that "It is nearly impossible that Candace will ever have to testify again. " Nobody knows that. The appellate court could throw out the verdict and order a new trial--------in effect, start the whole thing over. That probably won't happen, but you never know.

So, after thinking this over and considering all the possibilities and variables involved, I think I'd settle and get this over with and get on with my life. But that's just me. Candace will follow her own conscience, and I'll certainly respect whatever she decides to do.

David

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WTS action on Conti's case 3/27/2013

by mind blown in

as most suspected, the wts filed their brief, at least it looks that way..... http://appellatecases.courtinfo.ca.gov/search/case/dockets.cfm?dist=1&doc_id=2025979&doc_no=a136641.

it also notes aob in excess of word count limit.. wonder if they did that to buy more time?.

david_10

You know what I think? I think this is going to be a long drawn out process with the WTBS using every legal ploy and loophole known to man. I said in another thread that the Society has something up their sleeve, and, believe me, they do. It's going to be emotionally draining, to say the least, for Candace and her family. Already, everyone's on edge and nerves are raw and it's going to get worse.

The pressure will be on Candace to settle.

I think she should. She won the case................she humiliated the Watchtower and has drawn attention to the plight of abuse victims everywhere. Candace has done all this, and, if she settles now, she now could pay off her counsel, wind up being a multi-millionaire, and get on with her life. Otherwise, from here on out, it's anybody's guess as to what's going to happen.

Candace, if you're reading this, take the money and run.

David

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Rutherford's Death Certificate

by Bangalore in

rutherford's death certificate.. .

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bangalore.

david_10

I've always thought that a movie about Rutherford would be fascinating. It would have everything! Sex, booze, Jesus, the wily con man, the gullible followers..............it would be fascinating. The main plot would revolve around the building of Beth Sarim and how to to keep the Bible Students in the dark about it's true purpose. How..........I mean HOW??????..................do you go about raising the enormous amounts of money in the bleakest economic time in American history; how do you get the mansion built and then take your mistress and go live in luxury while convincing each of your followers (who for the most part live in squalor) to spend 60 hours a month selling the books & mags to pay for it? Because King David and John the Baptist are coming back any day and they need a place to live? Are you serious? How is it even possible to do this?

But the Judge did it.

A fascinating movie, maybe even a blockbuster...............does anyone have an extra 10 or 15 million so that we can commission a script and start casting?

David

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Are Women better dancers than Men?

by moshe in

jw
friends

i have always heard women say that men can't dance.

it seems they are right most of the time.

peace,.

david_10

I would have to answer "Yes."

Personally, I like to watch women dance. I don't care anything about watching men dance. Same goes for figure skating.......as soon as it's the men's turn, I'm ready to leave.

So the answer is yes--------------women are better dancers.

On the other hand, do you remember the Seinfeld episode where Elaine was showing off her moves on the dance floor?

David

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Candace Conti v. Watchtower | March 11, 2013 | Watchtower Society Appeal Dismissed For Failure To File Opening Brief

by jwleaks in

edit correction:.

the court web site lisiting reflects the following below, but we have been informed that the watchtower society has been given yet another extension until march 26, 2013.. the below post will be left as is, for those who may have wondered what happened.. .

congratulations candace conti.

david_10

Due date is 26th. I wouldn't pop the corks yet.

I totally agree.

It is my opinion that the Watchtower Society is the wiliest cat in the jungle---------------they know what they're doing. Does it make any sense that the Society would blow a pivotal precedent-setting court case just because someone forgot to set their alarm clock and show up on time? It doesn't to me.

This is not just about Candace Conti now..................this is about all the countless cases waiting in the wings to see how this turns out. So they've got something up their sleeve. I don't know what it is, but they know how the legal system works and they are very proficient at using it to their advantage.

Don't be popping corks just yet.

David

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What song would you dedicate to the borg?

by krejames in

jw
friends

zed's thread on powerful albums got me listening to darren hayes after ages and i decided i would like to dedicate this song to the borg.

http://youtu.be/nwvtdt9mntw.

step into the light.

david_10

How about "Pushin' too Hard" by the Seeds?

"All I want is to just be free..
But you're pushin' too hard on me."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Di8EVnIsPQk

Edited to add: it looks like I don't know how to embed. Anyway, there it is........

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RIP Van Cliburn

by Berengaria in

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r2de0hk4ths&list=plbf00e1e48ab83004.

david_10

Van Cliburn was (and still is) one of my greatest inspirations. I heard him play about 5 years ago, and he still had his flair and charisma. He also still had his chops.............it was quite an experience to hear him.

David

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Another Rant by Whathehadas

by whathehadas in

i try to be a positive person but sometimes i just can't help myself.

the other day, i was looking at tv and this show was on mtv.

the show was called, "when i was 17".

david_10

Hello WTH. I've often said that finding out TTATT and actually leaving the organization (whether on your own or being kicked out) makes a person go through the Seven Stages of Grief. It seems like everyone goes through them to some extent or another. I think that you've already dealt with the "Shock & Denial" part. You've probably already gone through the "Depression" stage, although there is considerable overlapping and not everyone takes the Stages in the same order.

Right now, you're obviously in the "Anger" stage. You're making good progress. You're going to get through this. At the end is the stage known as "Acceptance & Hope", and you will eventually get there. But it takes time. Overcoming Watchtower addiction can take a long time, but you'll get there.

I remember when I left the organization and the truth of it all started to dawn on me, I literally wanted to kill somebody. I hated them all so much that I literally wanted to kill them. It's a good thing that I don't own a gun, or I might have, that's how angry I was. But I got through it. I'm a wiser and calmer person now, and I've noticed that most ex-Witnesses and recovering Witnesses have a wisdom and life view that very few other people in the world have................not all, but many (if not most) do have an enlightened view of the human condition after their experience as a Witness.

I think you're doing pretty good. I wish you well.

David

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