Posts by thecarpenter

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Hemoglobin-Based Oxygen Carriers - August 2006 Awake!

by AnnOMaly in

i think this is the first clear, official statement regarding hemoglobin-based products.

awake!

august 2006, front page title "blood: why so valuable?".

thecarpenter

actually, the society changed its' blood policy several years ago without telling the R & F. Hemoglobin transfusions were a disfellowshipping offense until I believe 2000. That's when the new policy about the main components went into affect. I found out about it in 2002 by accident (an elder who has contact with the Hospital Liaison Committee informed him). Checked it out on the Ajwrb.org and saw a video where a spokesman for the society in the Netherlands stated that the society was getting away from deciding on fractionated blood components. Hence products like hemopure could now be taken without fear of reprisal from the organization at that time. In 2004 the society makes public it's new policy to the R & F.

see website below for the societies evolution on blood
http://www.ajwrb.org/history/index.shtml#evolution

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Revelation-Its Grand Climax at Hand!

by XBEHERE in

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july km confirms that this is the next book for consideration at bookstudies starting next year.

thecarpenter

As Gumby would say, 'all yew bastards quit complaining, hurts my green ears!!!' Personally, I like the pictures. I may get one tatooed on my arm.

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Sheperding call imminent, some advice needed

by Glorfindel in

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greetings all.. let me first introduce myself.

i am a current active jw.

i know full well that being a member on these forums, reading and posting constitute "bad association" by wt definitions, which can land me in quite a bit of trouble.

thecarpenter

Hello glorfindel and welcome!

You mentioned that you are a active witness and from your profile, you are 17.

Also, I do not plan on getting thrown out of the WT just yet, because there are some in my family who are witnesses, and I have no intention of forcing them to shun me. I know that despite my secrecy, there are ways to find out just where I am generally.

When you talk like this, it show me you have serious doubts about the organization, you really shouldn't even be thinking about baptism. Once a baptized witness is disfellowshipped, the brutality of the arrangement shows full force and takes many people by surprise. As some of the other posters mentioned, don't let the elders know where you are getting the organization history from. Just one or two questions and then mention you don't feel ready for baptism. (they will try to pressure you but don't fall for it).

I hope you start looking for friendships outside the organization, maybe with other conscientious youths your age. Look hard, you will find them.

And one more thing, keep studying and checking up, this is how you protect yourself from tragic mistakes.

good luck

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I'm going to get out

by Sacchiel in

hey everyone, i've been examining my faith and found it doesn't stand up to biblical theology.

its going to be hard since a lot family and friends will very likely repudiate me.

i have taken some steps to introduce topics to my family that will get them to analyze the wt teachings.

thecarpenter

The idea of fading away sounds better though, but how can I continue doing this? By avoiding everyone/some?

Well the idea is to slowly decrease your meeting attendance and field service activity until you totally stop altogether in a year or two. When the elders start to inquire, you don't have to tell them the whole truth. Tell them you are busy with other things (ex: school, work, so on). When others start to avoid you (including the elders), this is a opportunity to see who your friends really are (this maybe a surprising time for you). Those who still talk to you and hang out with you are the ones who are a little more independent minded, and under less control of the elders. Then mention your doubts to them and let them express their doubts to you. Take it one step at a time.

Also use this time to develop non-witness friends (college campus or high school depending how old you are, various clubs, take a dance class to meet chicks, etc...). Also use this time to develop friendships with non-witness relatives.

Remember thought, YOU DON'T HAVE TO TELL THE ELDERS YOUR TRUE FEELINGS ABOUT THE ORGANIZATION, BE ELUSIVE AND DON'T ARGUE WITH THEM. Anything you tell tell them can and will be used against you in a Judicial Committee. (you should read the horror stories of those who tried to be honest with the elders)

I sure there are others on the forum who can mention some of their experiences in fading and what they did.

Good Luck

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I'm going to get out

by Sacchiel in

hey everyone, i've been examining my faith and found it doesn't stand up to biblical theology.

its going to be hard since a lot family and friends will very likely repudiate me.

i have taken some steps to introduce topics to my family that will get them to analyze the wt teachings.

thecarpenter

Hey sacchiel. welcome to the forum.

Why is it necessary to disassociate yourself? Why not just fade away from the meetings? This way, you retain your family and friends for a while longer while you develop more social contacts on the outside. Its less traumatic emotionally this way while giving you more time to find those fed up with the society. I slowly faded away over a two years and haven't been to a meeting in months. I have also helped two people so far to see the light about the organization. In fact, there are two friend from my congregation who are fading right now and two from another congregation that have successfully faded. We still maintain our witness contacts where necessary and retain family contacts. I know we are viewed as spiritually weak but really it doesn't make a difference.

Presently, I am using my time to study more, relax a bit and prepare for college in the fall (going back after all these years, can't wait).

I hope this helps.

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The Global Flood and Antarctica - Can we have both?

by mavie in

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a thought came to me this morning in the shower.

i was thinking about ice cores scientists have drilled in antarctica from which they can measure conditions that existed 650,000 years ago.

this got me thinking, how could antarctica have been around that long if the global flood as described in genesis really happened?

thecarpenter

Gumby, you really are a sick bastard... LOL
So when are you starting your boob shining business... some of my lady friends might be interested
oops, am I hijacking this thread??? sorry (thecarpenter slowly backs out the door....)

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UPDATE: Alive and Kicking... ASS

by RichieRich in

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i'm joining everyone from the bowels of the sun princess, a ship belonging to the princess cruise lines.

about an hour and a half ago, we left the port of seattle for alaska.

my grandmother sent me and my grandfather on this trip for a graduation present.

thecarpenter

Hey buddy, I'm glad things worked out for you with the apartment, graduation, and the cruise. Are you going to advance your education or take some sort of trade course? What ever you do, keep making progress.

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I'm going back to the JW's

by Honesty in

if you can acccurately disprove the mathematics in the following i will be at the local kingdom hall first thing in the morning and ask the elders if i may rejoin them in worship.. here is some information i have compiled regarding what the watchtower has printed in regards to the babylonian kings and how the lengths of their reigns can be calculated to arrive at the date of the destruction of jerusalem by nebuchadnezzar.

if you're like me you've probably remained totally clueless whenever the subject of the chronology leading to back 607 b.c.

as the date for the destruction of jerusalem by nebuchadnezzar comes up.

thecarpenter

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I'm going back to the JW's

by Honesty in

if you can acccurately disprove the mathematics in the following i will be at the local kingdom hall first thing in the morning and ask the elders if i may rejoin them in worship.. here is some information i have compiled regarding what the watchtower has printed in regards to the babylonian kings and how the lengths of their reigns can be calculated to arrive at the date of the destruction of jerusalem by nebuchadnezzar.

if you're like me you've probably remained totally clueless whenever the subject of the chronology leading to back 607 b.c.

as the date for the destruction of jerusalem by nebuchadnezzar comes up.

thecarpenter

I am a Watchtower Scholar, schooled in the Bethel University under professor T Jaracz. In reviewing your work, I realized the mistake you made which is pretty common with the those 'uneducated' in higher organization mathematics.

Nabonidus ruled Babylon until it fell in 539 B.C. to Cyrus.

Labashi-Marduk ruled for 9 months.

Neriglissar ruled for 4 years.

Evil-Merodach ruled for 2 years.

Nebuchadnezzer ruled for 43 years.

17 years + 9 months + 4 years + 2 years + 43 years = 66 to 67 years.

Starting at 539 B.C. and going back 66/67 years we arrive at 605/606 B.C. for the start of the reign of Nebuchadnezzer.

2nd Kings 25:8-10 tells us that Jerusalem was destroyed in the 19th year of Nebuchadnezzer's reign, so if we go forward 19 years from 605/606 B.C. we will have the approximate years of the destruction of Jerusalem.

Nineteen years after 605/606 B.C. brings us to 586/587 B.C. which agrees with all secular evidence.

17 years + 9 months + 4 years + 2 years + 43 years = 66 ~ 67 years

539 bc + 66 ~ 67 years = 605/606 years

605/606 bc - 19 years = 586/587 bc. .???????

The last step is where most 'uneducated' laymen make their mistake..... you forgot to factor in the bov-delta symbol which is necessary to arrive at a correct date when working with ordinal numbers in the pre-common era. (this corrective factor was discovered in the mathematic departments in UWNY and Patterson University under the leadership of Prof. K.Klein and distiguished Prof. F.Franz)

Let me demonstrate the formula....... $\sum_{k=1}^\infty \frac{1}{k^2} = \frac{\pi^2}{6}$ but for simplicity we shall substitute the bov-delta symbol........

So lets do the math again 605/606 bc - 19 years /

I'll see you at the kingdom hall honesty.

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Easy, Healthful Snacks - Suggestions wanted.

by AudeSapere in

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this is an extension of my other thread ( http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/6/114967/1.ashx) but seemed to warrant it's own heading since it will probably attract different people and can have so many other applications, too.. since i'm home alone nursing a broken ankle and injured knee, getting downstairs to make breakfast and other meals is pretty difficult right now.. .

does anyone have any suggestions for foods to keep upstairs that are reasonably healthy and do not require refrigeration?

i can bring up a coffee pot for coffee and tea.

thecarpenter

These were all good suggestions, but eating corn out of a can..... brilliant idea. It never occurred to me you can do that (I'm doing it now). I always thought that the corn was half raw and you had to cook it. Learn something new everyday.