I tried to copy, but I am not very good at this stuff. Also, everything that leaves this computer has my full name on it, which would be obviously recognizable by any jws who lurk here. I am not sure how to copy something over without my name attached. Fear of jw repirsal keeps me from taking that risk. Sad, isn't it?
Posts by DB
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10e-mail fw'd by jws discusses pedophile issue
by DB ini recieved a forwarded e-mail from a jw today which discusses the pedophile issue and bill bowen.
unfortunately, i don't know how to post it here.
it quotes bowen and some of his concerns, and contains one statement, presumably by jr brown or another wts representative, saying that jws do not condone such abuse.
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e-mail fw'd by jws discusses pedophile issue
by DB ini recieved a forwarded e-mail from a jw today which discusses the pedophile issue and bill bowen.
unfortunately, i don't know how to post it here.
it quotes bowen and some of his concerns, and contains one statement, presumably by jr brown or another wts representative, saying that jws do not condone such abuse.
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DB
I recieved a forwarded e-mail from a jw today which discusses the pedophile issue and Bill Bowen. Unfortunately, I don't know how to post it here. It quotes Bowen and some of his concerns, and contains one statement, presumably by JR Brown or another WTS representative, saying that jws do not condone such abuse. I fw'd it to some here privately.
The names on the fw list were mostly, if not all, those of jws. And this message was sent to myself and about 20 more jws, so word is spreading, and this subject will be discussed, though with what results is anyone's guess.
Good day :) DB
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Depressed or suicidal? Do NOT call a doctor!
by flower in*** awake!
1975 august 22 p.25 *** .
is the turning of people from the clergy to the psychiatrists a healthy phenomenon?
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DB
Hi Flower, interesting post. Well, 27 years after this article, what do we see? For one thing, many jws themselves have realized that elders are simply not qualified to handle cases of depression, abuse (both spousal and child), anxiety, anger issues, and many other personal or family situaions. Many jws have realized that simply seeing a doctor or getting counseling is what really helped.
Also, the quote you cite seems to imply that a person who goes to the elders for help could well expect reproof instead, which would do more harm than good, and has been at the core of the child abuse issue that has been lighting of this board lately.
Also, at an elder's school I attended a few years back, we were reminded by the Society that we were not Mental Health practicioners. So even they have come to admit to some degree that elders are just not qualified to handle some issues.
The fact is, as you and most posters here know, when elders have gotten involved in such matters, the results are in many cases disasterous. So many people have been hurt because these men are simply noy equipped to handle such matters, and then when they attempt to do so, often leave the recipient of their counsel feeling bewildered, rejected, and at fault.
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LETTERS TO BOE/DON"T WATCH DATELINE?
by ARoarer inhas anyone seen or heard of any letters going out from headquarters to the body of elders directing them to inform the congregations not to watch dateline?
i was wondering if this is really true or just a rumor.
if it is true, this is terrible that they can actually deny members freedom of press or punishment.
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DB
Hi terafera,
I don't think a date has been announced yet for the airing of the Dateline show. I'm going to check the NBC website and also check here, since Bill Bowen would no doubt post it as soon as he found out.
Take care! :)
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Prince And His "Contraversial" New Albun
by ChiChiMama in"the rainbow children".
here's the link to the article.. .
* http://www.nzherald.co.nz/storydisplay.cfm?storyid=1844575&thesection=entertainment&thesubsection=music.
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Not that record sales mean a whole lot, but Prince hasn't sold a thing since Purple Rain (or shortly thereafter) anyway. He's basically irrelevant with regard to the music scene.
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A Must Read for Those Who Want to Leave
by SixofNine indoes god work through an organization?.
the question seems silly to me now, but not that long ago, as i stood dazed and confused on the edge of the watchtower, wondering if i should jump, would i survive, and where i would jump to, it was crucial to me.. thirty six years of jw brainwashing told me that god just *has* to have an organization.
my thirty six year old gut was telling me that god doesn't *have* to have or do anything.. this bit of writing by a former bethel elder helped set my mind at ease: http://www.caic.org.au/jws/organization/godorg1.htm.
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Six, i'm not sure what the pic of Anna Kournikova has to do with this thread, but I did enjoy looking at her....too bad she can't win a friggin' tournament.
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The only thing I loved about field service
by Soledad inblts on saturday mornings!!!!
mmmmmmmmmm......having one right now!!!
what the head makes cloudy the heart makes very clear.. we judge ourselves by our intentions; others judge us by our actions
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Yeah, break time was usually nice. A good chat with a nice householder can be nice too.
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Last night's bookstudy / Questions about 1919
by Leander inlast night's bookstudy again focused on the date of 1919 and how it was proof that god's favor was directed towards the bible students.
this week the wts compared themselves to the jews when they were released from babylon.
basically they talked about how the jews were discplined by jehovah when babylon destroyed jerusalem and took them hostage.
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You Know,
where in the world did you come up with that?
Leander, just a note : I recently finished reading a book about the Scopes Monkey Trial of 1925, entitiled Summer For The Gods. I noticed in it that during the early 1900's there was a climate that existed in the US whereby any who were critical of the government were suspected of sedition (much of this due to the climate brought about by WW I, no doubt). What impressed me was that at that time, it was not at all unsual for individuals or groups to be suspected of seditious activity. This raised a question in my mind, which is obvious: was the imprisonment of the bible students back then really such an outstanding event? Was it something that, given the climate at the time, could almost have been expected? I'm not sure, but I have wondered.
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A big "thank you" to everyone here
by Simon inin the past i have sometimes felt like i have to be the 'bad guy', so to speak, because i need to lock or delete topics, deactivate people, try and stop fights and such like - basically, telling people off and not being 'nice'.. well, apart from the odd heated debate and harsh word (and disruptive 'visit') i have not really had a great deal to do for the past month or two and it has been very nice - a pleasure to serve.. so ... i thought i should say a 'thank you' instead of a "stop it!
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Simon, this is the web site that I visit most frequently, and I enjoy the live chat forum too. I've met some great folks here. Thanks!
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a thread of support for OZZIEPOST and MRS OZZIE
by Prisca indear fellow posters,.
ozziepost and his beautiful wife mrs ozzie are going through a very tough time right now, at the hands of the wts and its henchmen.
in the space of a few weeks, they have lost their children and other family members due to the unchristian attitudes and pharisaic dogmas, despite having tried to quietly fade away from the wts.
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Prisca and the Ozzies,
I'm not exactly sure what is going on, but there are times when I wish we all would not live so far apart. The support of friends is felt the most when they can look you in the eye or put an arm around you and say 'I understand'. Nevertheless, it is of some comfort to know that you do have people who are sympathetic, even if we can't be there to express it to you directly.