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  Freddy Franz, One of the smartest men of his day????

  by DwainBowman in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  back in my teen years this story swept through jw land, that according to, the guinness book of records , freddy franz, was listed as one of the seven, most intelligent , men in the world.

  dose anyone else remember this?

  i remember trying to look it up, but never found anything in print, and ii point that out once or twice , and was told a co, had told about it, and he wouldn't lie!

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  Fisherman.....you have a very interesting way of twisting and spinning what other people post to your comments and in your own convoluted way make it seem that you were right all along. You learned a lot from your "Mother Organization". Having been raised as a Witness, it took me years to overcome that mindset myself.
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  Freddy Franz, One of the smartest men of his day????

  by DwainBowman in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  back in my teen years this story swept through jw land, that according to, the guinness book of records , freddy franz, was listed as one of the seven, most intelligent , men in the world.

  dose anyone else remember this?

  i remember trying to look it up, but never found anything in print, and ii point that out once or twice , and was told a co, had told about it, and he wouldn't lie!

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  At an assembly, speakers are sometimes required to read something to the audience word for word.

  "Brothers and sisters I have an announcement to make: YOU ARE NOW DISMISSED FOR THE NOON MEAL!!!!"
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  Freddy Franz, One of the smartest men of his day????

  by DwainBowman in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  back in my teen years this story swept through jw land, that according to, the guinness book of records , freddy franz, was listed as one of the seven, most intelligent , men in the world.

  dose anyone else remember this?

  i remember trying to look it up, but never found anything in print, and ii point that out once or twice , and was told a co, had told about it, and he wouldn't lie!

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  sparky1

  "Here we go round the Mulberry bush, the Mulberry bush, the mulberry bush........................."

  "He (Franz) did not use notes, or rather, he did not need them for his talks but neither did NHK (Nathan Homer Knorr). Never once did I see NHK (Nathan Homer Knorr) refer to his notes, or he would just give any talks without any notes even at the assembly."

  So what is your contention? That they DID not use notes ever? That they had said notes but never referred to them? You can't have it both ways. It is obvious from the photos that they are both reading something and in the case of Fred Franz it does not appear that he is reading a bland announcement about attendance numbers or announcing the next speaker. (Since I was not present, this is only conjecture on my part.) A more elegant way to make your claim would have been to state: 'Fred Franz and Nathan Knorr had very keen minds and knew their subject well. They were capable of giving some of their talks without notes and could even quote portions of the Bible verbatim. I have seen this myself on many occasions.' I am not somebody's fool nor did I just fall off the turnip truck. I was raised in the religion from infancy starting in the middle 50's and have seen Knorr speak up close and personal. It is true that many times he DID NOT use notes. However, I have seen him speak and also use notes. As a Bethelite, I witnessed it both ways. I do not deny that either man was an accomplished speaker and could give a talk from memory. In my teenage, pioneering years, I copied Knorr's rambling, folksy style myself and rarely used notes for my Ministry School assignments. That makes me neither extraordinary, brilliant or remarkable.

  That's one hell of a handful of announcements that Brother Knorr has to make at this assembly. Perhaps he is carrying them for Brother Percy Chapman.
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  Jw's go to the door of a biblical scholar to preach the Bible.

  by paradisebeauty in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  this is interesting, jw's go to the door of a biblical scholar, a professor in theology i believe, and he invites them in and records the whole conversation.

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  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2xpo43bgdbm.

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  If anyone is interested in what Anthony Buzzard believes (I personally am not) this is a link to his website. He publishes a magazine called Focus on the Kingdom and is straightforwardly a non-Trinitarian. His magazine kind of looks like the old Kingdom Ministry.

  http://focusonthekingdom.org/magazine.htm
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  Freddy Franz, One of the smartest men of his day????

  by DwainBowman in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  back in my teen years this story swept through jw land, that according to, the guinness book of records , freddy franz, was listed as one of the seven, most intelligent , men in the world.

  dose anyone else remember this?

  i remember trying to look it up, but never found anything in print, and ii point that out once or twice , and was told a co, had told about it, and he wouldn't lie!

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  Fred Franz and Harold Camping. Blood brothers. Two old fools that loved the sound of their own voices and mistook their own personal fantasies for reality.
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  Worshipping the Governing Body

  by Sour Grapes in

  1. jw
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  it is very obvious that jehovah's witlesses worship the faithful and discreet slave.

  during last sunday's washtowel study, everyone bowed before them for the excellent job they did in translating the new bible into so many languages and for the direction they give to the congregation.

  (i guess i sorta thought that jesus was in charge of the congregations.

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  "But the thing displeased Samuel, when they said, Give us a king to judge us. And Samuel prayed unto the LORD. And the LORD said unto Samuel, Hearken unto the voice of the people in all that they say unto thee: for they have not rejected thee, but they have rejected me, that I should not reign over them." - 1 Samuel 8:6-7 KJV

  SOUND FAMILIAR?
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  Freddy Franz, One of the smartest men of his day????

  by DwainBowman in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  back in my teen years this story swept through jw land, that according to, the guinness book of records , freddy franz, was listed as one of the seven, most intelligent , men in the world.

  dose anyone else remember this?

  i remember trying to look it up, but never found anything in print, and ii point that out once or twice , and was told a co, had told about it, and he wouldn't lie!

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  He (Franz) did not use notes.

  I wonder what he is looking at on his lectern? Statements like this perpetuate the man and his myth.
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  Freddy Franz, One of the smartest men of his day????

  by DwainBowman in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  back in my teen years this story swept through jw land, that according to, the guinness book of records , freddy franz, was listed as one of the seven, most intelligent , men in the world.

  dose anyone else remember this?

  i remember trying to look it up, but never found anything in print, and ii point that out once or twice , and was told a co, had told about it, and he wouldn't lie!

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  Never once did I see NHK refer to his notes.

  Just because you didn't see him doesn't mean that he didn't.
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  Freddy Franz, One of the smartest men of his day????

  by DwainBowman in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  back in my teen years this story swept through jw land, that according to, the guinness book of records , freddy franz, was listed as one of the seven, most intelligent , men in the world.

  dose anyone else remember this?

  i remember trying to look it up, but never found anything in print, and ii point that out once or twice , and was told a co, had told about it, and he wouldn't lie!

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  sparky1

  Fred Franz was a VERY SMART man!

  1. He never had to work at a real, secular job and compete in the job market to support himself.

  2. He never had to pay an insurance bill, an electrical bill, a car payment or any other adult responsibilities.

  3. He never went to bed hungry or cold since his religious followers paid for his food and shelter.

  4. He never had to worry about paying for dental or medical care.

  5. He got to travel the world on the publishers dime.

  6. He cultivated an aura of mystery and spirituality that guaranteed no one would disagree with him.

  7. He didn't have to pay a secular publishing house to print his idiotic ideas nor get turned down by one of them.

  8. He got the personal satisfaction and ego boost of telling people how to live their lives without any censure.

  9. He spoke before crowds of people, most of whom hung on his every word with awe and adoration.

  Yes Frederick William Franz was a VERY,VERY,VERY SMART man. He got all of his physical and ego needs met on the backs of the common 'publisher' through their monetary contributions to the Jehovah's Witness religion. Was he intelligent? I haven't a clue. I never spoke with him while I was at Bethel.
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  Caption This Photo From The January Study Edition

  by JW_Rogue in

  1. social
  2. humour

  so as some are probably aware the january study edition has two articles on the anointed.

  one basically discouraging people from believing they are anointed and another about how ones should view partakers.

  this photo is from the second article:.

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  sparky1

  "I wish that I had paid more attention to all the articles on self-abuse. I can barely see what's going on through these coke bottle glasses!"