now the majority of people nowadays do no go by the hope of old times.
now the reason for this is important and goes beyond mere words.
our culture sees ethics especially national or civil politics as the rules and standards by which we guide ourselves.
"It's never been easy for me to convey what I think but that was my fault for not writing that sentence right." - looter
Here's a tip looter. Learn to collect and solidify your thoughts before you put them to paper. Then present your ideas in the most succinct manner possible. Your overuse of language only detracts from the ideas you are trying to convey. Strunk's book is a classic and I highly recommend that you read it.
now the majority of people nowadays do no go by the hope of old times.
now the reason for this is important and goes beyond mere words.
our culture sees ethics especially national or civil politics as the rules and standards by which we guide ourselves.
"That's not my fault if he just can't possibly grasp in mind it." - looter
Actually, I haven't got the slightest idea what point you are trying to make in your op either.
spoke with a fellow apostate from my own area.
she and i bailed out about the same time and kept in touch.. she used to do secular work with one of the local elders in his cleaning business until she got dfed.
this same elder was one of the more profound dickheads on my reinstatement committee, before i turned around two years later and daed.. business required her to contact the elder on behalf of an old client.
ATTENTION ALL LURKERS AND FENCE SITTERS! VOTE WITH YOUR WALLET!
When I still associated 20 years ago (because of family and friends) I faithfully donated between $1,200.00 and $2,400.00 a year (don't ask me why....residual guilt, I think). Half to the local congregation and half to the Worldwide Work. If only 10,000 disgruntled Witnesses stopped donating the minimum of what I did, it would total $12,000,000.00 a year less in their greedy hands. Maybe that is why they are begging for money constantly........the silent disillusioned majority are beginning to vote!
the scripture quotes aside, i was always told that we don't celebrate birthdays because that is a celebration of the self, which has no place in jehovah's organization.
then why celebrate anniversaries?
anniversary celebrations are about the joining of two selves, isn't that twice as selfish?.
"Birthdays are a snare and a racket"!
http://www.leicestermercury.co.uk/disgraced-jehovah-s-witness-elder-jailed-for-sexually-abusing-a-girl/story-29528336-detail/story.html.
a disgraced jehovah's witness elder has been jailed for eight years for sexually abusing a girl.. martyn barron (55) pleaded guilty to four counts of sexually assaulting a child under 13, more than 10 years ago.. the victim, now an adult, said the abuse had devastated her life.. leicester crown court was told barron, of walton street,belgrave, leicester, sought to blame the child for his wrongdoing in a pre-sentence report.. .
by taboola .
It would be interesting to know how many people he voted to disfellowship while he was an Elder. The sick pig..........judging other people for banishment from the congregation while he was involved in the MOST HEINOUS crime of all. There are not enough adjectives to describe this type of human being. Appointed by Holy Spirit my ASS!
the watchtower today says not to think of sex, or to have sexual fantasies.
i'm just wondering... how many people in the hall hearing this watchtower today would be having sexual fantasies?
sitting there thinking about sister hottie or brother hunky ?.
"...........and no, not with the pandas............." Glad you clarified that, dubstepped.
he said that the parents of df or inactive do not have right to help there child why not?
his answer its above there pay grade.
he also said another witness helped this young lady she was a sister so another person can help your child but you cannot he said let jehovah help them.audeince dead silent..
Will the real David Splane PLEASE sit down and shut the F%*K up!
just wanted to say hello, i have been visiting this site for a very long time and i feel like i know so many of you already, now you can get to know me but for now i'm fading so i cant give my complete story.
i'm single but have "hardcore" siblings in the religion, thankfully i do have family who never expressed interest in the jws.
i really checked out years ago from to much mental abuse and no recognition for all that i gave to this organization.
Welcome LogansRun......................be careful you are not terminated (disfellowshiped) by the Sandmen (Elders) before you reach Sanctuary (escape from the organization).
the watchtower today says not to think of sex, or to have sexual fantasies.
i'm just wondering... how many people in the hall hearing this watchtower today would be having sexual fantasies?
sitting there thinking about sister hottie or brother hunky ?.
"Don't have sexual fantasies"....................and while you're at it, 'try not to think about a pink elephant.'
so, i am trying to get my head around what the right position of elders should be when they come across crime is.. i think i get the issuess around clergy confidentiality - and how that might potentially be breached when they talk about it to other elders, let alone the police.. but if people are saying that elders - or clergy of another faith should report crime to the police when it is confessed to the, then where are the boundaries.. so if someone says they should report to police on a confessed example of child abuse, that's one thing.. how about reporting to police consensual sex between a 19year old and 15 year old - which is statutory rape in the uk.
how about criminal fraud if they come across it.
assault on a congregant?.
You ask a very thought provoking question Kramer. I don't have an answer or even an opinion, but it is an idea that is worth considering. After all, the Governing Body teaches the every day Witness that he must report to the Elders, as authority figures,every 'so called' sin that he observes his fellow congregants involved in. 'What's good for the goose, is good for the gander'. Certainly, 'civil crimes' should be dealt with by the appropriate 'authority figures' and not just by the Elders who are only 'spiritual and moral police and judges'.
