Posts by sparky1

we all know the calculations used by the wt to arrive at 1914. fall of babylon in 607 (false year), gentile times, no zero year, ta-da, 1914.. what did they use before that?

i know it wasn't russell who came up with it - he just adopted it.

i'm just curious what they had to explain away when they made the transition.. .

To add to AnnOMaly's post..............A chart of these 'prophetic interpretations' can be found on page 219 in the book THE TIME IS AT HAND. C.T. Russell was one hell of a mathematician and an individual of GREAT HUMILITY.

'We accept the facts thus divinely indicated, however astounding the conclusions which we must reasonably draw therefrom."-C.T.Russell

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What were the calculations used to arrive at the 1874 date of Christ's return?

by Zoos in

we all know the calculations used by the wt to arrive at 1914. fall of babylon in 607 (false year), gentile times, no zero year, ta-da, 1914.. what did they use before that?

i know it wasn't russell who came up with it - he just adopted it.

i'm just curious what they had to explain away when they made the transition.. .

sparky1

RELIGION:

1. Boudless conceit concealed as utmost modesty.

2. Justification for regulating one's own behavior and coercing others to regulate theirs.

3. An inexhaustible mine of meaning for the mentally lazy.

Quoted from THE UNTAMED TONGUE by Thomas Szasz

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HELP ME COMPILE A LIST OF DISCARDED WORDS AND PHRASES from the WTS

by Terry in

jw
friends

in fort worth, texas around 1959. gradually i became aware of the argot.

special, private language).

jw's had these phrases they used over and over again.. upon first hearing, these words and phrases stood out as odd, weird or awkward.. however.

sparky1

"Immodest grooming" replaced by "SPANX" and 'tight pants'.

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What were the calculations used to arrive at the 1874 date of Christ's return?

by Zoos in

we all know the calculations used by the wt to arrive at 1914. fall of babylon in 607 (false year), gentile times, no zero year, ta-da, 1914.. what did they use before that?

i know it wasn't russell who came up with it - he just adopted it.

i'm just curious what they had to explain away when they made the transition.. .

sparky1

Thanks for posting that,AndDon'tCallMeShirley.......I am not that tech savvy. My favorite serving of 'spiritual bull$shit' is found on page 208 in the GODS KINGDOM book. "Then the allowance for two years before the entry of sin led to the year of 1874 as the year in which six thousand years of human sin terminated and the seventh thousand years for the elimination of sin by Christ's reign began." Pure imagination and bull$hit. No one has even the slightest idea how long Adam and Eve were in the Garden of Eden before the 'Talking Snake' showed up!!!!!! 1874 and 1975 are a fiction and a fantasy based on guesses and conjecture.

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What were the calculations used to arrive at the 1874 date of Christ's return?

by Zoos in

we all know the calculations used by the wt to arrive at 1914. fall of babylon in 607 (false year), gentile times, no zero year, ta-da, 1914.. what did they use before that?

i know it wasn't russell who came up with it - he just adopted it.

i'm just curious what they had to explain away when they made the transition.. .

sparky1

You can find the explanation of the bogus and bull$hit calculations in the book GODS KINGDOM OF A THOUSAND YEARS HAS APPROACHED published in 1973.It is located in the chapter entitled "HERE IS THE BRIDEGROOM" under the subsection THE CORRECTION OF A MISUNDERSTANDING on pages 206-211. What is so laughable is that someone pulled an imaginary 2 years 'out of their a$$' to allow for Adam and Eve to sin that is added in to make the calculation work. And yes the 1975 fiasco is based on the same calculation.

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Brother Knorr's Cadillac and other secret perks

by tim hooper in

back when i was a wee lad, my dad told me that the brothers in brooklyn had voted to purchase a cadillac motor car for the sole use of the then president, nathan h knorr.

he'd got this information from the london bethel, him being a chum of the then branch overseer, pryce hughes and his pal ron drage.

religious leaders of non-profit sects are supposed to take a vow of poverty!.

sparky1

Absolutely true, man377! If I remember correctly, besides Knorr, both Geouge Couch and Max Larsen got their new vehicles for free too. Supposedly, during the Governing Body power struggle the cars were taken away from these guys. Then they were put into the Bethel auto pool and could be requisitioned by ANY Bethelite needing to use a car from then on. Quite a 'slap in the face' to the President and his cronies.

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Top 10 Signs that Jehovah's Witnesses Want to Disfellowship You:

by OnTheWayOut in

i've posted these years ago and was reminiscing, so i thought i would share the laugh with you again.. top 10 signs that jehovah's witnesses want to disfellowship you:.

10. there's two guys in suits staying all night outside your home in a four-door sedan.. 9. an elder you spoke to on the phone calls and asks you to repeat what you said the other day, but asks you to speak slowly and clearly.. 8. suddenly, jw friends stop by and ask an awful lot of the same questions.. 7. your laptop computer was moved, left on, or is missing.. 6. you left your car unlocked, it was thoroughly searched by someone but absolutely nothing is missing including your gps which was searched too.. 5. your boss asks if you are in trouble with the law or someone, stating some really polite men were asking about you and left some "tracts.".

4. someone picked up the cigarette butts around your back porch.. 3. the bartender at your favorite nightspot asks if you have ever before seen the guys in the corner booth that have been ordering "cokes" all evening and pulling out a camera everytime you order a beer.. 2. you receive registered mail and you already served on a jury this year.. 1. your jw mother who finally had accepted that you will never go back starts begging you to either go back to the kingdom hall or move with no forwarding address.. .

sparky1

What you speak about apostrate was very common in the 50's, 60's and 70's. Voyeurism in the name of 'keeping the congregation clean' was a great hobby for some Elders. Now with stalking and privacy laws the Elders have to be very careful.

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FOLLOW-UPS for JW deniers of 1975

by Terry in

my favorite follow-up question to jw deniers:.

"okay, then what exactly was special about 1975, then?".

and another follow-up, "what was wrong with the first time it ended?".

sparky1

The 1874 calculation was explained away as being based upon a scribal numerical error in translating 1 Kings 6:1. Therefore the Watchtower Society had a ready made built in scapegoat.

The 1975 calculation was explained away as a few over zealous brothers running ahead of Jehovahs Organization. Therefore the Watchtower Society had a ready made built in scapegoat.

In reality, both calculations are bogus bull$hit because they are based on the assumption that Adam was in the Garden of Eden for 2 years before sin entered into the world.