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  MY Bethel Experience Part 17

  by new boy in

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  more "odds and ends".

  i liked lyman swingle (governing body member)......he was from alabama, he knew how to curse at the right time.

  i think, that’s why i went to him, when i was having so much trouble with my future wife’s parents.

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  Your posts are great new boy and SPOT ON! Lyman Swingle was a character and mostly was his own man. I remember vividly a dedication talk he gave at the Highland NY kingdom hall in the mid 70's about true religion versus false religion. He went on and on about 'the goddess Venus who was the original Whore of Heaven that went around have immoral SEX with the other gods. Finally she had a bastard son named Cupid that went around shooting arrows at other minor gods causing them to fornicate indiscriminately. All that little bastard Cupid was interested in was SEX!'. It was a hilarious talk and there were some quizzical looks on lots of faces in the audience.

  An interesting side note about the 'apostate' you call 'Mr. Frog'. If it is who I think it is, his name was Bill Norris. My family was friends with his ex-wife and her family. The story goes that he went through Gilead but did not graduate and while there got engaged to another student. 'Papa' Knorr was not happy about this at all and sent Bills betrothed out on assignment to a foreign country thereby splitting up the couple. (Of course, the girl could have chosen Bill over her assignment but we all know what the organization can do to normal human emotions , feelings and attachments.) At any rate, he married another woman but his being flunked out of Gilead and then losing his first love took a toll on his marriage. After having two children he left his wife and moved to New York to make a career out of tormenting Nathan Knorr and the Society. The funny thing is that his ex-wife remarried in the 70's and by the mid 90's she, her husband and Bills son all left the organization! The last I heard, she had died, her husband has dementia and is in a nursing home, her son is happily long disassociated and her daughter is married to a Circuit Overseer. The 'back stories' are always the most interesting!
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  Manufacturing Consent

  by StarTrekAngel in

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  i have been pondering over the wt study last sunday.

  the title, when i first read it, told me that i was going to hear a lot of the same crap i had to put up with during the 2014 international convention.

  while some of it was there, the subliminal message given on the magazine was far from what the title implied to me.

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  FEB 2016 broadcast

  by Grey Goose in

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  it might be the craziest one yet..

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  " I would like to introduce you to Brother Slice of Bread. He may look like a slice of bread but he is actually a secretary to a secretary to a helper to one of the Overseers of the Baking Department here at Bethel. You may now break into a chorus of 'Happy at Bethel'. Thank you Brother Slice of Bread." - Ken Flodin (Complete loser in the real world)
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  FEB 2016 broadcast

  by Grey Goose in

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  it might be the craziest one yet..

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  WHEW!!!!!! At least these illustrations don't apply to me. I'm GLUTEN free for medical reasons.
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  What Was The Silliest "Offense" That You Were Counseled For?

  by minimus in

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  when i was a teenager, i was told by an elder that because i smiled a lot and was known for my good sense of humor, that i should come across as "more serious".

  so before i was appointed a ms, while in my late teens, i transformed myself into a much more "serious" brother.. were you ever told that you needed to work on something that you knew was stoopid?.

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  Two things that I thought were silly:

  1. At Bethel when I was a newboy, I left a few scraps of food on my plate. I got an ass chewing from the table head

  that I must scrape my plate clean and eat every morsel of food on my plate. My Grandmother would have rolled over in her grave. She taught me that it was bad manners to scrape your plate clean because it made you look like a pig.

  2. I had very curly hair and when I was a young Pioneer in the early seventies and I was counseled by the Circuit Overseer. He told me that my hair was too curly and that I should get a haircut, keep it short and use Brylcreem to keep it looking neat.
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  My Bethel Experience Part 3

  by new boy in

  1. jw
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  don't get me wrong...........there was no one more self righteous, than me at 19. i moved to kansas at 18 to pioneer and even printed up cards that said............ .

  "have sword, will travel"---------contact casarona salina kansas------ aaa which of course meant available after armageddon..

  oh, i was full of myself!

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  Ed Kostacheck...........my table 'foot' at Watchtower farms and John Janney was the table 'Head'

  Fred Hilmo...boy did he get the shaft. Relegated to cleaning typewriters and graphotype machines at the Farm. As lurker pointed out, he was 'demoted' to doing only menial tasks at the Farm. Nice meek and mild gentleman. Kind of eccentric and still brainwashed in the cults theology. He talked to me once about the 'scientific' CREATION book (Rutherford's wacky tome) and how it was way ahead of its time.

  One guy no one seems to mention much is Phil Wilcox. He wound up being the Factory Overseer at Watchtower Farms. At the risk of being demonized by other ex-Bethelites here, I want to say that this guy was like an older brother to me. He knew how I felt about the Organization, it's theology and the 'political bullshit' in general, yet he still respected me and treated me with dignity. I will never have a bad word to say about him. Spending time talking with Phil was one of the real highlights of my time at Bethel.
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  Chapter 1 My Bethel Experience First Posted 9 Years Ago A Walk Down Memory Lane

  by new boy in

  1. jw
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  part 1. i when to bethel march 21,1970. at the time you had to be a pioneer for two years to apply, by the time i left in 1974 they were calling people in who had never pioneered..........average stay was 5 months (they had signed up for 4 years)..........the reason they left was......well, it was hell.. one of the reasons was, knorr hated bethelites, but he loved the gilead students and why?

  because when they screwed up they were thousands of miles away!........just before i got there, they had kicked out over 30!

  homosexuals (at one time) ....the would kick out 1-2 bethelites a week.

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  The press operator that I was an assistant operator was very gay.

  Was that Jim Mazza?!
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  Jehovah's Witnesses accused of covering up historic sex abuse

  by defender of truth in

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  www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/12073247/jehovahs-witnesses-accused-of-covering-up-historic-sex-abuse.html

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  Well, the Governing Body(tm) LOVES to use the word HISTORIC in describing the banal minutiae of the everyday goings on in their religion known as Jehovah's Witnesses. At least now, Satan and his system recognize the HISTORIC significance of the everyday actions of Jehovah's Witnesses.
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  The story of my exit

  by mrsObfuscate in

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  i have been lurking here for about 6 months, and being the last day of the year, and ready to start the new one afresh, i want to share the story of our exit from the org.

  i have found the personal experiences of others of immeasurable value, (and its been a while since a good exit story has been posted) that i hope this can be of benefit to at least someone.. .

  my mother became a jehovahs witness when i was about 9 or 10. i remember initially hating all of the new sanctions put on our lives (no birthdays and christmas anymore) but for some reason i soon after joined her in attending the meetings and eventually got baptized at the age of 14. my staunch catholic father converted a couple of years later.

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  "I felt like an outsider."-mrsObfuscate

  Here you will be welcomed with open arms!
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  this is a real picture

  by brandnew in

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  yeah watchtower is blessing their efforts .

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  I hope they have enough cash on hand to purchase the new 'double screen' video setup now required by the "Governing Body' (tm) for all Kingdom Halls. Morris and Lett can only be appreciated fully in the new Watchtower(tm) sanctioned 'STEREOPTICON' video system. Now you can see both ASSES....I mean donkeys in visual stereo!