Posts by sparky1

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How/when did you become a jehovas witness?

by Lewis1998 in

so i've been a protestant for most of my life, it's how i was raised, but recently i started questioning my faith more and more and now i feel like my beliefs resemble that of a jehovas witness rather than a protestant.

i don't know any jehovas witnesses, so i was just wondering how a lot of you found the religion and adapted to it?.

sparky1

"My brainwashed mother made a death threat to me by telling me that the generation that saw 1914 was getting old and if I didn't get baptized soon Jehovah god would have no choice but to execute me at Armageddon which was imminent." - hoser

Ha ha ha.........................my mother gave me the death threat in 1970. I was baptized soon thereafter. She had her own personal Armageddon when she died in 2000 never seeing a 'paradise earth'. Thank you, Jehovah for all the misery your organization has caused.

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The boys in Pennsylvania- The real power behind Watchtower

by UnshackleTheChains in

i am quite interested in something mike and kim said in their video when talking about why their you tube videos are being taken down.

in their video below, at around 35 seconds.

mike say's that he has being trying to tell people that the boys in pennsylvania are the real power behind watchtower - not the governing body?.

sparky1

"That's how it is problemaddict" - fulano

EXACTLY, but facts don't fit into a 'conspiracy theorists' worldview.

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JW Rumor: End of the Traveling Overseer

by Edison Trent in

a friend of mine has contacts to a family with several circuit overseers and special pioneers.

they have good connections to bethel.. he told me that the latest rumor from bethel states that the cos should be abolished in their present form.

they have also recently begun to take cos back to bethel.. over the same channel i have already heard of the car fleet program and that the dos should be abolished.. has anyone else already heard of it?

sparky1

Fall Guy......stop stating facts. It throws a 'wet blanket' on the 'doom and gloom naysayers' that will jump at any 'nonsensical' tidbit to prove the imminent demise of WATCHTOWER and Jehovah's Witnesses.

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Chapter 33 New Boy 50 years a Watchtower slave

by new boy in

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friends

chapter 33. starving outside the load’s house.

there is no fanfare when you leave bethel.

they didn’t care about you while you were there so why would the care about you now you are leaving.

sparky1

new boy, I have an interesting story to tell about Knorr's secretary. When I was at the Farm, I was chosen to take the secretary, Knorr's sister and a few of his minor relatives on tour. When we got to the kitchen, she asked to be let inside so she could have a private tour of the kitchen. I told her that I was sorry, but NY state health and hygiene laws prohibited allowing tours into the kitchen. Wrong move on my part! 'Do you know who you are taking on tour' ?asked Knorr's secretary. I informed him that I knew exactly who he was and who Knorr's sister was, but that if I showed her special preference, I would be breaking the law and it would be unfair to the thousands of other witnesses that came on tour every year if I showed Sister Knorr special preference but would not let the average witness also enjoy a tour of the kitchen. Into the kitchen went the secretary and he came out with the kitchen overseer to give them a tour. The kitchen overseer acted like he was taking Jesus Christ himself into his 'humble kitchen'. I remained outside the doors in protest.

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Chapter 32 New Boy 50 years a Watchtower slave

by new boy in

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friends

chapter 32. jerking off on the subway .

"you boys want any soup?

you boys want any soup?

sparky1

Old lady Margaret.........I remember a bunch of dogs licking the sores on her legs. Jesus Christ , the things we saw!

P.S. - I don't mind new boy. Glad you kept the back story alive. Bills ex-wife died a few years ago. She was 88.

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Question for SBF

by Fisherman in

slimboyfat, it appears that wts is going, gone digital.

can you show your view what is wts next move after they are completely gone from kings county and settled in warwick?

- this thread is your if you want it..

sparky1

"Subscriptions didn't make a lot of money but they clearly weren't a loss. Because when the charge was dropped, subscriptions were dropped pretty quick too." - slimboyfat

That has absolutely NOTHING to do with the discussion at hand. If you can't charge a fee for the Watchtower magazine on the doorstep delivered by a WATCHTOWER drone, you can't charge a fee for a subscription delivered by the Postal Service. So of course they dropped subscriptions! (The only thing you could charge for would be a shipping and handling fee) It's just plain business sense. Actually, I wish that you would stick with your original premise and stop 'going around the barn' to defend the indefensible.

As a side note, I tried to show you that individual subscriptions consumed huge amounts of materials and labor compared to shipping magazines to local congregations. The 'gross profit margin' on an individual subscription would be much smaller than on a magazine hand delivered by a publisher. If you were never a Bethelite in Brooklyn or at Watchtower Farms I'm sure that this is hard for you to fathom.

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Question for SBF

by Fisherman in

slimboyfat, it appears that wts is going, gone digital.

can you show your view what is wts next move after they are completely gone from kings county and settled in warwick?

- this thread is your if you want it..

sparky1

"Newspapers were seen as profitable." - shepherdless

Newspapers made their money from advertising. Watchtower and Awake NEVER had the luxury of income from advertising.

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Question for SBF

by Fisherman in

slimboyfat, it appears that wts is going, gone digital.

can you show your view what is wts next move after they are completely gone from kings county and settled in warwick?

- this thread is your if you want it..

sparky1

"Sparky1, are you saying that they didn't make a lot of money from their literature?" - slimboyfat

I never made any such a claim. Anywhere at any time.

"The Watchtower has lost it's MAIN (italics and bold mine) source of income from book publishing, and failed to find a substitute. In some ways JWs were extremely fortunate as a religious denomination that had a lucrative publishing empire as its support."- slimboyfat

I am trying to counter your claim that the revenue from the publications was their main and lucrative source of income. $50,000,000.00 a year is hardly the MAIN source of operating revenue for an organization as large as WATCHTOWER.

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Question for SBF

by Fisherman in

slimboyfat, it appears that wts is going, gone digital.

can you show your view what is wts next move after they are completely gone from kings county and settled in warwick?

- this thread is your if you want it..

sparky1

First of all shepherdless, you are beclouding the issue by NOT following my line of reasoning and introducing a counter argument based on a date that you choose. Slimboyfat stated that the 1970/80's were WATCHTOWER's 'heyday' (so to speak) and was the "all time boom in Watchtower sales." To be FAIR to slimboy, I went right to the middle of his DATE claims and chose 1980 as the halfway point between 1970 and the end of the 1980's. I took my data from that year as a 'mean' (although not purely scientific) to counter his argument. Using your form of reasoning, I could go back to the early 1970's and show that they were making even less money then because they produced even less magazines. But lets go with your $2,000,000.00 a week for the sake of argument. That's still only (and I say that with a grain of salt) $104,000,000.00 a year in revenue from publications and that does not take into account the cost of producing and shipping the literature. That is GROSS sales before the 'cost of doing business' is figured in.

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Question for SBF

by Fisherman in

slimboyfat, it appears that wts is going, gone digital.

can you show your view what is wts next move after they are completely gone from kings county and settled in warwick?

- this thread is your if you want it..

sparky1

"I've searched for information on downsizing to put it into some kind of perspective. One example is General Motors which experienced poor sales and cut its workforce by around 20% in 2008/9. It needed a government bailout to keep operating............Who is going to bail them (WATCHTOWER) out?" - slimboyfat

Nice try. I respect your intent to broaden your horizons and understand the American corporate business model better. However, I will use the same business analogy as you and come up with the exact opposite conclusion.

FORD MOTOR COMPANY was in the same 'boat' as CHRYSLER and GENERAL MOTORS during the 'Great Recession.' There was one big difference. FORD never took bailout money from the UNITED STATES TREASURY nor did they file for bankruptcy like GENERAL MOTORS. They had previously borrowed money commercially to 'weather the storm' and combined this with their cash on hand to at least stay solvent. Today, FORD MOTOR COMPANY has gross assets of $108,461,000,000.00 and their stock is trading at $11.9457 a share even as we speak. During the 'great recession' FORD'S stock was trading at $2.29 on 12/31/2008 and at one point the stock dipped drastically to $1.01 a share for a few moments. What's my point? FORD survived without a bailout because they made sound financial decisions. WATCHTOWER is surviving without a bailout (technically) because they are making sound financial decisions.