Exactly nvrgnbk.
Posts by mavie
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131Why are we telling Iran they can't have nukes?
by mavie inwatching the democratic debates i was struck how every candidate, save dennis kucinich, pledged to prevent iran from obtaining a nuclear weapon.
iran is a sovereign state, diplomacy which ends in 'you can't have this, but we can' will not work.
what would happen if another country told us we couldn't have nukes?
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Why are we telling Iran they can't have nukes?
by mavie inwatching the democratic debates i was struck how every candidate, save dennis kucinich, pledged to prevent iran from obtaining a nuclear weapon.
iran is a sovereign state, diplomacy which ends in 'you can't have this, but we can' will not work.
what would happen if another country told us we couldn't have nukes?
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mavie
Yes, but does the USA have the authority to tell another nation what they can and cannot do?
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what religion are you now?
by 4digitcode ini'm sure this has been asked a million times before but since leaving the witnesses what religion (or lack thereof) have you chosen for yourself?
and what is it about that religion that attracted you?
since leaving the witnesses i think i no longer believe in god, not out of anger, actually i think i like the idea of him more since i don't believe in him anymore.
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mavie
None.
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Why are we telling Iran they can't have nukes?
by mavie inwatching the democratic debates i was struck how every candidate, save dennis kucinich, pledged to prevent iran from obtaining a nuclear weapon.
iran is a sovereign state, diplomacy which ends in 'you can't have this, but we can' will not work.
what would happen if another country told us we couldn't have nukes?
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mavie
Watching the Democratic debates I was struck how every candidate, save Dennis Kucinich, pledged to prevent Iran from obtaining a nuclear weapon. Iran is a sovereign state, diplomacy which ends in 'you can't have this, but we can' will not work. What would happen if another country told us we couldn't have nukes?
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The psychological effects of faking dubism
by LtCmd.Lore inwell, i've known the truth about the witnesses for over two years.
and i've been pretending to be one ever since.
i'm sure most of us did that for a period of time, some longer than others.. i think it has changed my personality, especially since i've been a teenager the whole time.. .
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mavie
On another note, life is great 18 months out of the cult! I dealt with most of my sh*t immediately after leaving, it still rears its ugly head every so often, but will be gone soon.
Mindfulness helped me. Check out Stephen Batchelor, he writes for a western agnostic buddhists. -
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Judge won't block 'Moment of Silence'
by purplesofa inhttp://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-silence_weboct30,0,4364630.storyjudge won't block 'moment of silence'by jeff coen |tribune staff reporter9:16 pm cdt, october 29, 2007a federal judge on monday declined to block a suburban school district from having a moment of silence as newly mandated by illinois law but indicated a willingness to weigh the merits of the silent reflection and student prayer act.. .
u.s. district judge robert gettleman said he has "some serious questions" about the statute that requires schools to pause at the start of classes each day.. .
"let there be no mistake about that," said the judge, expressing concern with the act's title and possible abuses.. in a lawsuit filed last week, atheist activist rob sherman sought a temporary restraining order to block the moment of silence in township high school district 214 and specifically at buffalo grove high school.
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mavie
Purps, there is no religious motivation in that instance. Also, it would not be mandated.
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The psychological effects of faking dubism
by LtCmd.Lore inwell, i've known the truth about the witnesses for over two years.
and i've been pretending to be one ever since.
i'm sure most of us did that for a period of time, some longer than others.. i think it has changed my personality, especially since i've been a teenager the whole time.. .
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mavie
I'm going to share my experience:
I've learned to hold my tongue, no matter how obsurd or offensive a remark is, I have to ignore it and even smile and/or say 'I agree'.
I've learned to lie, and I've gotten pretty good at it.
I've distanced myself mentally from my friends
I've learned to hide my emotions.
I've learned how to keep secrets.
I've learned to seriously think about what I say before I say it.
I developed the same traits Lore. Especially the bold items. After I finally left and began to make new friends, enter into new relationships, and interact with 'normal' people, I was still operating as though I was in the Kingdom Hall. I tended to 'go with the flow' and carefully speak when asked a question, waiting for the hammer to come down on me.
I've found that this hinders developing good friendships and can harm intimate relationships. I've learned it's normal for this to happen, to act this way, at first. Now I'm actively trying to discard these traits. The biggest step for me was opening up emotionally and demanding self respect. The idea that my opinion and feeling matter just as much as the person next to me.
The world isn't such a scary place after all, the earlier you can get out the better.
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Judge won't block 'Moment of Silence'
by purplesofa inhttp://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-silence_weboct30,0,4364630.storyjudge won't block 'moment of silence'by jeff coen |tribune staff reporter9:16 pm cdt, october 29, 2007a federal judge on monday declined to block a suburban school district from having a moment of silence as newly mandated by illinois law but indicated a willingness to weigh the merits of the silent reflection and student prayer act.. .
u.s. district judge robert gettleman said he has "some serious questions" about the statute that requires schools to pause at the start of classes each day.. .
"let there be no mistake about that," said the judge, expressing concern with the act's title and possible abuses.. in a lawsuit filed last week, atheist activist rob sherman sought a temporary restraining order to block the moment of silence in township high school district 214 and specifically at buffalo grove high school.
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mavie
I have a problem with this.
1.) ..."there is no secular purpose at all..." The moment of silence is not touted as a period for personal reflection, see point #2.
2.) "In this case, the statute says the first option is to pray..."
3.) ..."sponsors of the legislation double as religious leaders..."
I do not have a problem with moments of silence, or meditation. I do have a problem with *mandating* this occur.
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Jehovah's Witness here.
by nimzo ini have a question about my religion.
when people turn apostate, why do they seem kinda... weird.
they turn back to false teachings and their bible knowledge even proves that.
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Jehovah's Witness here.
by nimzo ini have a question about my religion.
when people turn apostate, why do they seem kinda... weird.
they turn back to false teachings and their bible knowledge even proves that.
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mavie
I'm about to leave, so I'll just say this. You guys should try to do research on your own, without the help of anti-jws website or information. Theres two sites of the story, and you cannot believe one side without hearing the other side. Wow, if only if I could show you my collection of WTs articles and all the misquoted information I found. Yikes! :D
Misquotes?
An easy example:
Then, according to Dawkins' description, "a particularly
remarkable molecule was formed by accident"-- a molecule
that had the ability to reproduce itself. Though admitting
that such an accident was exceedingly improbable, he
maintains that it must nevertheless have happened. Similar
molecules clustered together, and then, again by an
exceedingly improbable accident, they wrapped a protective
barrier or other protein molecules around themselves as a
membrane. Thus, it is claimed, the first living cell
generated itself.
At this point a reader may begin to understand Dawkins'
comment in the preface to his book: "This book should be
read almost as though it were science fiction." [_Life-- How
did it get here? By evolution or by creation?_ p. 39,
paragraphs 4-5]
That preface reads:
This book should be read as though it were science fiction.
It is designed to appeal to the imagination. But it is not
science fiction: it is science. Cliche or not, "stranger
than fiction" expresses exactly how I feel about the truth.
We are survival machines-- robot vehicles blindly programmed
to preserve the selfish molecules known as genes. This is a
truth which still fills me with astonishment. [Dawkins, _The
Selfish Gene_, p.ix]
And of course Dawkins doesn't just "maintain that [the
appearance of the remarkable molecule] must have happened."
The JW book refers to the very page this discussion is on:
This may seem a very unlikely sort of accident to happen.
So it was. It was exceedingly improbable. In the lifetime
of a man, things which are that improbable can be treated for
practical purposes as impossible. That is why you will never
win a big prize on the football pools. But in our human
estimates of what is probable and what is not, we are not
used to dealing in hundreds of millions of years. If you
filled in pools coupons every week for a hundred million
years you would very likely win several jackpots. [Dawkins,
p. 16]
I found it dishonest in the extreme to quote out of context in
this way. It's a very transparent attempt to manipulate their
readers into thinking that Dawkins "knows" he's being
unrealistic & has no good arguments to make in favor of his
position. The JWs, though they read Dawkins' argument, make
no attempt to refute it. Instead, through selective quoting,
they pretend it doesn't exist. On page 44 of their book
(paragraphs 18 & 19 of the same chapter), they make the tired
old improbability argument.