Posts by mathead

DATA on the replacements and the remnant

by mathead in

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does any one know when the watchtower first talked about the "replacements".

i need a time line here.. also what is the peak number of remnant and in what year was this peak?.

mathead

Does any one know when the watchtower first talked about the "replacements"

I need a time line here.

Also what is the peak number of remnant and in what year was this peak?

thanks

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The watchtower project

by mathead in

how hard would it be to store every watchtower since day one , in a database?.

how many giga bytes would it take?

would the wts shut down any site that hosted all the watchtowers( over 100 years worth.

mathead

How hard would it be to store every watchtower since day one , in a database?

How many giga bytes would it take? Would the WTS shut down any site that hosted all the watchtowers( over 100 years worth. I know the WTS has such a data base but they won't share it with the world for obvious reasons. I thought that since the watchtower is a HOLY publication then the WTS should have no porblem if a public site were to have such a data base

Just think, the data base could be entitled:

"For the serious study of Jehoovers word - we present the WATCHTOWER on line"

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i want to make jehoover happy

by mathead in

should i join the dubs again and become a 60 hours per month publisher and then work my way up to a 90 hour per month pioneer and then a ministerial servent and then a watchtower study conductor and then a literature servant and then an elder and then a travelling overserr and then a district oveerseer and then a member of the governing body?.

will this make jehoover happy?

or confused?

mathead

Should I join the dubs again and become a 60 hours per month publisher and then work my way up to a 90 hour per month pioneer and then a ministerial servent and then a watchtower study conductor and then a literature servant and then an elder and then a travelling overserr and then a district oveerseer and then a member of the governing body?

Will this make jehoover happy? or confused?

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144,000 early view

by golden age in

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i was researching the topic of 144,000, does anyone have any scans from the 1935 convension when rutherford made the big change about the great crowd.

or any scans from watctower articles around that time that discuss this issue and what the new rules were to be.. also, does anyone know who rutherford said would live on paradise earth before 1935, because in the millions now living book written in 1925 he had talked about abraham and others living in beth sarim, additionally he did say in the millions book at that time that many people would be able to live on earth forever, who was he referring to if all were supposed to go to heaven..

mathead

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" ...Past generations would still be resurrected, however, unless they had committed "willful rebellion against Jehoover".

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Will monty python be spared?. In the movie "the HOLY GRAIL" A guy says to his wife "that piece of halibut was good enough for Jehoover"

All seriouness aside , I was wondering too about when the great crowd was revealed. 1935 seems to be the year here. It is so strange. In the days of Russel everyone was of the annointed. Then gradually I quess some bible students who did not identify with the annointed still tagged along . This raised some curiousity amongst the membership. So did the revelation about the great crowd happen before the fact or after the fact. It seems that it is the style of the WTS to come up with new light revelations after the fact, So the big announcement of the great crowd in 1935 only accellerated what was more or less already apparent; an existing great crowd (or small crowd at first).

Once the big announcement was made something happened that the WTS had not planned for. You guessed it - the falling away of the so called annointed class. That is what the WTS calls it "FALLEN AWAY" When in fact it seems that the so called annointed were not annointed anyway and so they simply became members of the great crowd. So as the 'falling away" happened the great crowd increased - of course not entirely due to the fallen aways, but due to new converts. From 1935 to 1968 the annointed remnant (we'll call them remnant from now on) dropped dramatically. The WTS had to do something and fast or else there would be no remnant left and hence no WTS. So starting in about 1968 the new light about the REPLACEMENTS was revealed. (Please correct me on the dates) Now it was cool to become a remnant once again. Today there is almost no loss in the number of remnant even though some 1300 of them die each year - very strange that the number of replacements almost equals the number of deaths each year!!

Now just try to put all of that to numbers. I mean, try to do a math analysis on it. I'm still trying to put the puzzle together.

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Do You Belong To A Cult?

by DannyHaszard in

do you belong to a cult?

american chronicle - beverly hills,ca,usa .

... cults today understand the needs of their recruits and do everything possible to fill the gap that has been previously void (the bait).

mathead

That is right!! , guilt is used to keep members under control to the point where you can't masturbate without fear of god looking in with disgust. Just read the youth book and so many other WTS literature about masturbation. It seems our sex organs are sinful or something.

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WTS HATE

by jw in

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if you have a need to hate the wts then so be it.. but don't hate all jw's, that is just wrong .. you preach that you have found truth, if that were the case then where is your love for all humans?.

mathead

The WTS tells its members to hate anything and anyone who would burn the watchtower in public. How insane is that.

Another thing is that the WTS has made its members have a bad attitude toward masturbation, especially the bethelites are not allowed to do it. I stopped for 3 months once and they got as big as oranges!!

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Question about the 1260 and 1335 days

by mathead in

i was just at jwfacts.com and was looking at the daniel/revelation phrophecies.

the book of daniel mentions 1260 and 1335 days.

the wts interprets these dates as follows:.

mathead

I did some of my own research, here goes

The babylon the great book (of 1963) talks about the cedar point convention of Sept 1 - 8, 1922, but there is no mention of the 1260 days as ending on the date of the cedar point convention

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"Their worldwide organization was repaired and international contacts were reestablished. On September 1, 1919, an international assembly of them was held in Cedar Point, Ohio, to continue for eight days. On September 5 the Watch Tower Society’s president, with nine months of imprisonment behind him, addressed the thousands at this assembly on the subject "Announcing the Kingdom." In this address President J. F. Rutherford quoted and made a modern application of the prophecy of Isaiah 52:7 (AV ): "How beautiful upon the mountains are the feet of him that bringeth good tidings, that publisheth peace; that bringeth good tidings of good, that publisheth salvation; that saith unto Zion, Thy God reigneth!" On Sunday, September 7, he addressed a public audience of 7,000 on the subject, "The Hope for Distressed Humanity," and spoke in favor of God’s kingdom as against a human substitute, the then-proposed League of Nations"

End Quote

Since the babylon book was written in 1963 then this means the WTS connected the date of Sept 1 - 8, 1922 with the ending of the 1260 days AFTER 1963. In the babylon the great book, the 1260 days are only mentioned once in this paragraph:

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"Accordingly, a symbolic or prophetic "time" would Scripturally equal three hundred and sixty (360) years. If, now, three and a half symbolic "times" amounted to 1,260 symbolic days, that is to say, 1,260 years, then twice three and a half (or seven) symbolic "times" would be twice 1,260 years, that is to say, 2,520 years. Thus the "seven times" that are mentioned in Daniel 4:16, 23, 25, 32 in connection with the tree dream would stand for two thousand five hundred and twenty literal years. In that period of time the lunar years, by means of their regular thirteen-month years, would balance off with the solar years and would equal 2,520 solar years."

End Quote

Again, no mention is made of the 1260 days as ending on Sept 1 - 8 ,1922 at the cedar point convention. Now I am keen to know what the first WTS publication was, that says the 1260 days ended at the cedar point convention??

Of course this whole 1260 and 1335 is complete WTS BS

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Question about the 1260 and 1335 days

by mathead in

i was just at jwfacts.com and was looking at the daniel/revelation phrophecies.

the book of daniel mentions 1260 and 1335 days.

the wts interprets these dates as follows:.

mathead

Thanks

I understand that the period in general from 1914 to 1918 is tied in with the 1260 days. But what about the Cedar Point convention on September 3 1922 ?? According to JWFACTS.COM site, that date is the ending of the 1260 days and the start of the 1335 days. How does Sept 3,1922 fit in ??

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Question about the 1260 and 1335 days

by mathead in

i was just at jwfacts.com and was looking at the daniel/revelation phrophecies.

the book of daniel mentions 1260 and 1335 days.

the wts interprets these dates as follows:.

mathead

And would therefore terminate in about WHAT!!

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Meeting with 2 Dubs this Saturday...Please help with suggestions ;)

by FreedomFrog in

well, i didn't think i'd be back on jwd for awhile.

but new things are happening in my life.

my parents are starting to panic because of me standing for what i feel is right.

mathead

Freedom frog

Don't get into general discussions about who wrote the bible . This is old hat and no side will win on this one.

Rather prepare a list of WTS revisions.(ON PAPER) You could start with the thread "question about the 1260 and 1335 days". Bondie and jwfacts are the sholars in that department.

Now, what you want to to is get the latest WTS interpretation of scripture on paper ALONG witht the revisions. Be specific and to the point. The objective here is to make the elder look like a dummo because he won't be able to explain the revisions. As we all know when a jdub is corneerd and they can't explian something they will always refer to the "NEW LIGHT" that comes from the WTS.

Tell your elder study conductor to not use the "NEW LIGHT" excuse and to explain these revisions some other way. Get the elder to see that these revisions prove that the older doctrines are all false and hence so are the new ones

When you say the word "false" it will make the elder cringe because that is one word they don't want to hear TRUST ME ON THAT