Posts by CloseTheDoor

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Types and anti types

by Deltawave in

according the watchtower study of may 10th, it has been made clear no prophetic meaning should be given to a a scripture or passage unless the bible itself gives clear interpretation of it.

therefore daniel 7 especially gives it's fulfillment to nebuchadnezzar only.

no future kingdom or 2520year wait til 1914. no gentile times or "this generation".

CloseTheDoor

CloseTheDoor, that's interesting. I've been wondering what some of the older JWs think of all the changes in JWdom. How do the older, "stiff necked" ones in your congregation feel about the new, rebranded, dumbed-down, shallow, commercialized, more mainstream JWdom? For example, how do they feel about the broadcasts, the Caleb and Sophia videos, the website, the music videos, etc.?

Magnum, most of the older ones don't appreciate the watered down, dumbed down articles. Many have commented privately that it feels as if the Org. is talking down to them, or as 2 year olds. There's a difference between being humble/child like and being severely mentally challenged. We don't like being treated as the latter by the Org. The cartoons are just too freaky. Every thing now seems like everyone else's religion. Nothing "unique". Some have said the music videos are weird and too worldly. Many had to "unexpectedly" leave during the money grab video.

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The change in the Memorial

by Doug Mason in

up until 1954, the watch tower society said that the symbolism of the memorial loaf included the little flock and that the wine represented their sharing in jesus death.

(one example: the loaf pictures not jesus fleshly body but his body members, the christian congregation.

the watchtower, march 15, 1954, page 174).

CloseTheDoor

It was in the early 50's that the Org. taught the bread symbolized the "unity of the body of Christ" -- and in other words, "the Christ", the anointed believers.

"the loaf of bread symbolized the unity of the body of Christ." -- w51 1/15 p. 57 par. 2 Partaking in a Worthy Manner

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Orchestral Accompaniment for Singing at Congregation Meetings

by pixel in

to all congregationsre: orchestral accompaniment for singing at congregation meetings.

dear brothers:.

many will find that the newly composed orchestral recordings are more inspiring andconducive to our worship than is piano music alone.

CloseTheDoor

I recall the pianos. Some talented brothers would sometimes play the harp along with piano in one cong. my wife and I attended. A few years ago a younger brother asked if he could bring an electronic keyboard for one of the meetings and that he could play the sheet music to the Sing Praises songbook, but his kind offer was refused. He was a very talented pianist and organist - it seemed he could play anything by ear. He was later discouraged by other elders who said he was wasting his time with the piano. Eventually he gave it up altogether.

Photo from a postcard of Brooklyn Bethel, showing piano at 400 seat auditorium. (Photo from ebay)

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'Anointeds' Do you know any and if so what are they like ?

by Introvert 2 in

would like to hear about any experiences anyone has had with the so called ' anointed ' .

CloseTheDoor

I have known a few in my lifetime. All regular people. Many in my cong. partake at home in private with their families. When I was a child, everyone partook of the emblems, but that was until things changed.

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Types and anti types

by Deltawave in

according the watchtower study of may 10th, it has been made clear no prophetic meaning should be given to a a scripture or passage unless the bible itself gives clear interpretation of it.

therefore daniel 7 especially gives it's fulfillment to nebuchadnezzar only.

no future kingdom or 2520year wait til 1914. no gentile times or "this generation".

CloseTheDoor

During that study this previous Sunday, only two people in our "stiff necked" congregation provided answers to the questions. The rest of the congregation, being older, stubborn and protesting silently, refused to raise their hands. The elder conducting the study from the platform quickly skimmed through it. We did not consider that special article on pages 17, 18. Not everyone in the Organization is swallowing this spoiled alphabet soup as easily as some of the others.

One of the circuit overseers years ago referred to our congregation as being a "stiff necked people" because they are so stubborn and slow to accept any change.

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Aid to Bible Understanding (Spanish) PDF

by CloseTheDoor in

aid to bible understanding (1971-1987 - ayuda para entender la biblia) in spanishthe use of the aid book was discontinued by the organization among english speaking witnesses with the release of the two volumes of insight on the scriptures in 1987/1988.

however, some language groups still use the aid book.this is for anyone wishing to have the spanish translation.

( big file ) https://mega.co.nz/#!moexztdi!qzpe1jajxucnwnj_xngbpdmwied-jshck2k4bbkpvni.

CloseTheDoor

Aid to Bible Understanding (1971-1987 - Ayuda para entender la Biblia) in Spanish

The use of the Aid book was discontinued by the Organization among English speaking Witnesses with the release of the two volumes of Insight on the Scriptures in 1987/1988. However, some language groups still use the Aid book.

This is for anyone wishing to have the Spanish translation. ( BIG file )

https://mega.co.nz/#!MoEXzTDI!qZPe1jajxUcnWNJ_xngbpDMwIEd-jShcK2K4BBKpVNI

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An earlier date when the "great multitude/crowd" was first named: "Jehovah's witnesses"

by Doug Mason in

unlike the fonz, i can and do get things wrong..

the 1946 book let god be true ascribed the name jehovahs witnesses to the great multitude:.

page 232 of the 1952 edition.

CloseTheDoor

Marked

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Blind Guide Dog.... Erhmmmm

by CloseTheDoor in

i saw this on facebook.

i'm nauseous from reading.

it's just another example of how some will go so far to make up bs and pawn it off as "truth.".

CloseTheDoor

Oh but the smurf story is definitely true. I heard it from a Witness who would never spread falsehoods.

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Icons, venerated symbols, and organizations

by CloseTheDoor in

a recently published article called "a feast to jehovah" at http://meletivivlon.com/2015/05/12/a-feast-to-jehovah/ discusses the use of icons, venerated symbols and organizations, the jw.org logo, and more being used in the org.some of you might find it interesting as some of the comments on the site (and in other article) which are often from current (but thinking) jws.

CloseTheDoor

A recently published article called "A Feast to Jehovah" at http://meletivivlon.com/2015/05/12/a-feast-to-jehovah/ discusses the use of icons, venerated symbols and organizations, the JW.org logo, and more being used in the Org.

Some of you might find it interesting as some of the comments on the site (and in other article) which are often from current (but thinking) JWs.

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Why would you want to wake up before the 90s?

by John Aquila in

if you were a jw in the late 70s into the late 80s you might have been one of those brothers or sisters that just happened to be in the right kingdom hall and with the right people.

during that time being a jw wasnt too bad if you were able to establish the right connections.

a person could pioneer for a while and be appointed as a ministerial servant in a year or two and within 5 years you could be an elder in your twentys.

CloseTheDoor

A lot of Witnesses I have spoken to in my congregation and in the region have become numb to the "it's almost over", "here comes the new system" hype. But then there are others that think ISIS could be a herald to Armageddon. Most of the younger kids now have no care about it whatsoever. They're only interested in their JW.org logos on their ipads.