Posts by rassillon

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For those not sick to death of talking about this...607 BCE

by Swamboozled in

just got this link sent to me by my sister in law and i just keeping staring at it trying to decide where to start.

i know that arguing with a jw is like throwing miracle wheat in the wind...but i want a comeback!!!

http://www.2001translation.com/587_or_607.htm

rassillon

third-nit-wit Are you telling all your friends over at "ewatchman-exposed" how you are getting your ass royally kicked over her by Alan? Or how about how Leolaia (a girl - love ya) has totally ripped you a new one. If anyone is starting here, please go back and read from the beginning. I swear 3rdWitness must be on the olympic gymnastics team the way he twists flips and flops to avoid answering real questions and total debunking of his pathetic argument. I know I am not really being fair but he just won't have a civilized discussion and answer questions posed to him. -r

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For those not sick to death of talking about this...607 BCE

by Swamboozled in

just got this link sent to me by my sister in law and i just keeping staring at it trying to decide where to start.

i know that arguing with a jw is like throwing miracle wheat in the wind...but i want a comeback!!!

http://www.2001translation.com/587_or_607.htm

rassillon

thirdwitness:

Ok, choose any interpretation you like as to what the Bible meant when it said Tyre would never be rebuilt. Now tell me how does this prove 587 or disprove 607? Please spare us the insult of saying, 'Well if your interpretation is wrong about Tyre then its wrong about Egypt.' One has nothing to do with the other. Besides, I'm letting you choose whatever interpretation you like concerning Tyre.

OK you get backed into a corner and have to make concessions, so you try to put stupid conditions on answers. Of course one has something to do with the other. They are from the same book of the bible. The point of the whole matter is that you insist on a particular interpretation of the Egypt 40 year prophecy and Tyre prophecy because you want to use it to support YOUR chronology. The problem is that taken for what it is, the Egypt 40 year prophecy, is proof of nothing but the fact that prophecy was made. How it was fufilled and when it was fufilled has not been proved in any sense. You can make all the CLAIMS that you want but they are just that claims. Your claims are baseless and betray your intellectualy dishonest presupposition that 607 is correct. It is possible that at one point you and I were alike. I tried to prove 607 to the best of my ability. I was even dishonest at times trying to do it, something I am a bit embarrassed to admit. But my love for truth just would not allow me to continue to ignore the preponderance of evidence. I had to accept the fact that I was not defending "bible chronology" but was defending a "man's chronology" as you are also doing. If you throw away all your preconcieved ideas and just look at the archealogical evidence and the bible you will see that they agree. What you won't find is 607. -r

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For those not sick to death of talking about this...607 BCE

by Swamboozled in

just got this link sent to me by my sister in law and i just keeping staring at it trying to decide where to start.

i know that arguing with a jw is like throwing miracle wheat in the wind...but i want a comeback!!!

http://www.2001translation.com/587_or_607.htm

rassillon

third-nit-witness

To prove that the Bible cannot be totally relied upon.

No, to prove that your and other men's "interpretation" of the bible can't be relied upon AT ALL. -r

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For those not sick to death of talking about this...607 BCE

by Swamboozled in

just got this link sent to me by my sister in law and i just keeping staring at it trying to decide where to start.

i know that arguing with a jw is like throwing miracle wheat in the wind...but i want a comeback!!!

http://www.2001translation.com/587_or_607.htm

rassillon

thirdwitness and scholar, I will say again, as I have said before, It is the disingenuious half-truthed nature of your arguments which helped me to see the inconsistencys in the 607 argument. If you discussed this in an honest manner you would have more people respect your opinion. You don't and 99% of all JW apologist don't. Honest discussion of the facts is all that some are after. For many if it comes down to the bible and secular opinion they will take the bible hands down. But when it comes to a man's interpretation against archeaology and this archeaology does not challenge the bible you have to choose against the "man's" interpretation. You have been duped by the Watchtower, and because you are embarrased that you were duped by Robert King and found him to be a raving lunatic you ran back to where you feel safe and choose to defend it no matter what. Learn to think on your own. Truth is Truth. I am Jehovah I have not changed. The watchtower is in a continious state of change. -r Oh, and by the way, you never answered any of my posts, which is crazy cause if I were me I would preferr to argue this with me that Leo or Alan who made you look like a fool.

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For those not sick to death of talking about this...607 BCE

by Swamboozled in

just got this link sent to me by my sister in law and i just keeping staring at it trying to decide where to start.

i know that arguing with a jw is like throwing miracle wheat in the wind...but i want a comeback!!!

http://www.2001translation.com/587_or_607.htm

rassillon

Hey, I keep looking for the United States on a Mexican map.????? All I can find is Estados Unidos?????? I guess the United States doesn't exist ????? Damn, then neither do I......

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For those not sick to death of talking about this...607 BCE

by Swamboozled in

just got this link sent to me by my sister in law and i just keeping staring at it trying to decide where to start.

i know that arguing with a jw is like throwing miracle wheat in the wind...but i want a comeback!!!

http://www.2001translation.com/587_or_607.htm

rassillon

thirdwitness' definition of being rebuilt: For thirdwitness to agree that a city was rebuilt it would require having detaild blueprints, drawings, photos, and eyewitness evidence of the first construction. Then during the rebuild, every stone that was used originally would have to be re-used in the same exact place in the same exact building by the original builder of that building. If any stones were destroyed the dust of "only" that stone would have to be gathered and heated under pressure until it formed a stone again and then placed in the exact place in the exact building by the original builder. The entire city would have to be weighed and must be within +/- 100 grams of the original city's weight. If these guidelines are not met it can be officially stated by Department of Reconstructive Antiquities that the city hasum notum binum rebuiltum -r OH, BTW, 3RDNITWITNESS, YOU HAVE NEVER ONCE ANSWERED ME. I tried several times to get you to answer. You must not feel that confident about your argument.

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For those not sick to death of talking about this...607 BCE

by Swamboozled in

just got this link sent to me by my sister in law and i just keeping staring at it trying to decide where to start.

i know that arguing with a jw is like throwing miracle wheat in the wind...but i want a comeback!!!

http://www.2001translation.com/587_or_607.htm

rassillon

Alan, Leolaia I concede to your obvious superior knowlege on this matter. Yall's posts have been very well written and have addressed the points specifically without bias. Which is most appreciated. Thanks! ThirdWitness, You still have not answered my post directly I do not know why. I will expand since you have sort of touched on points in other posts. HERE YOU GO - ONLY BIBLICAL

(Ezekiel 32:11-15) 11 "For this is what the Sovereign Lord Jehovah has said, ‘The very sword of the king of Babylon will come upon you. 12 I shall cause your crowd to fall by the very swords of mighty ones, the tyrants of [the] nations, all of them; and they will actually despoil the pride of Egypt, and all her crowd must be annihilated. 13 And I will destroy all her domestic animals from beside many waters, and the foot of earthling man will no more muddy them, nor will even the hoofs of a domestic animal muddy them.’ 14 "‘At that time I shall make their waters clear up, and their rivers I shall make go just like oil,’ is the utterance of the Sovereign Lord Jehovah. 15 "‘When I make the land of Egypt a desolate waste and the land is desolated of its fullness, when I strike down all the inhabitants in it, they will also have to know that I am Jehovah.

This is biblically part of the prophecy against Egypt.

Now I ask you:

Did "all her crowd" get annihilated?

Did her waters get muddied ever again?

Were "all the inhabitants" struck down?

Since you wont answer me I will answer myself

Certainly the fact that Egypt continued to exist these things can be taken as a figure of speech. As is the case with other parts of EZEKIEL which I have alluded to in my other posts.

THUS

Contrary to what you say.

The two options here are, NOT if the bible is true or not

BUT

Is THIRDWITNESS' interpretation correct or not?

It has been proven beyond reasonable doubt that you are intionally ignoring facts to preserve YOUR interpretation.

It has been proven beyond reasonable doubt that 40 year prophecy about Egypt means nothing with regards to when Jerusalem was destroyed.

This is not a matter of is the bible wrong, it is a matter of THIRDWITNESS is wrong.

The fact that you will not answer directly and allow the facts speak for themselves proves this to be fact.

You have put yourself above the bible and above Jehovah God himself

-r

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health care and the bible

by architect in

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this past district covention talk told us that we should put less importance on our healthcare and not get to wrapped up in it, but put more importance to the preaching work.. does anyone remember where this is bible based?

rassillon

Yes, it is found in the book of 1Society 3:15 "the man who puts kingdom intrests above all else will be rewarded with perfect life, yet if any man may say my flesh is weak, he will be distracted from kingdom intrests and will lose out on life by being mislead with fleshly desires"

601

For those not sick to death of talking about this...607 BCE

by Swamboozled in

just got this link sent to me by my sister in law and i just keeping staring at it trying to decide where to start.

i know that arguing with a jw is like throwing miracle wheat in the wind...but i want a comeback!!!

http://www.2001translation.com/587_or_607.htm

rassillon

thirdwitness, why do you refuse to answer my post? Please read it and answer accordingly. It was very plain and simple. If you do not understand it please let me know.

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I guess I won't be re-appointed as a servant again.

by rassillon in

jw
friends

i will try to make a long story short.

me and my wife (faithful jw) had a problem with an evil pioneer sister elder's wife in our former hall.

through the course of trying to work it out we decided we would be better off in another hall.

rassillon

I will try to make a long story short.

Me and my wife (faithful JW) had a problem with an EVIL Pioneer sister elder's wife in our former hall.

Through the course of trying to work it out we decided we would be better off in another hall.

I was all down for it cause it will help me to ease back and not be so frustated in doing things I know are bull.

Well, the situation comes to the point where the sister won't make ammends (long story) and I say "fine, I am done with it"

I tell the PO that we are moving congregations, so he and another brother want to meet with me.

I was quite sure it was about me not being forgiving and I souldn't move yada yada yada....

My wifes mental health is more important.

Anyway, I bring my digital recorder....The other brother sees it cause I am not trying to hide it. He says I can't record the meeting. I said that because of the things I have been through I am no longer having meetings with ANYONE and not recording them. The PO starts on this thing about trusting in the holy spirit and that by me recording the meeting I am showing that I am not. I ofcourse tell him that that is not an accurate comparisson and that if no one had anything to hide that there should be no harm in it. I told them in no uncertain terms (but respectfully) that I WILL record any and all meetings I have. Several times they tried the whole "spirit directed" insruction and such and that I was ignoring that. I explained that we are all imperfect and that they should be concerned about how I feel because of what I have been through. The tried guilting me some more. Then I just said we can talk about this all day but I am not changing my mind. They said it will be noted that I refused the direction of the slave.

I soooo wanted to say "ooooohhh not that, your not going to put that on my permenant record are you?"

but I didn't cause I have to keep things calm.

Anyway, this is my first type of real organizational protest, and I feel pretty good.

Just thought I would share.

-r