these articles most likely have previously been posted, one is from 2000 but i'm posting them in response to "dead lambs" in the may 15, 2002 friends forum....as the articles are from a news database, i don't have any links...... (yes, i edited and changed this, you're not losing it....).
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Raven, Derrick:
Your posts make a lot of sense. That's one reason I never really got into "debating" the blood issue, the whole idea is just too irrational to even debate. "Life is so sacred that we dare not partake of the 'symbol' of life to sustain life."
Is this how to show their God how much they appreciate the Life they keep saying he gave them....
are there just "shells" of people in the K.H.?
Derrick, so happy you're still here!
these articles most likely have previously been posted, one is from 2000 but i'm posting them in response to "dead lambs" in the may 15, 2002 friends forum....as the articles are from a news database, i don't have any links...... (yes, i edited and changed this, you're not losing it....).
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"A lame attempt to shut us up."
Why would I want to shut you up, the more you talk the more apparent the JWs' lack of independent thought is.....
later on I thought you may have meant "spiritual" brother. In that case, I am still sorry for your loss, "spiritual" or "physical," a life is a life....I wouldn'tbe so quick though to claim all JW's as your "brothers." If they discovered that you post here and df'ed you, your "brothers" would shun you, no questions asked, if that's what they were instructed to do. you disagree? then why is it that you keep it to yourself?
"apostates don't care about victims, their real agenda is to stop the preaching work.
isn't this comment an oxymoron?
the "preaching work" consists of jw's attempting to have householders "renunciate" their faith, thereby making "apostates" out of the householders.
"Charles Russell isn't my founder, Jesus is my founder."
oh.....I get it now, that's why they have the "Bible Study" on Sundays after the talk, and the "Bible Study" on Tuesdays....To study the "Bible," not WTS literature with doctrines dreamed up by some old "apostate"......
thanks for clearing that up Freddie.....
p.s.... you really don't count anyway Freddie
"apostates don't care about victims, their real agenda is to stop the preaching work.
isn't this comment an oxymoron?
the "preaching work" consists of jw's attempting to have householders "renunciate" their faith, thereby making "apostates" out of the householders.
"Apostates don't care about victims, their real agenda is to stop the preaching work."
Isn't this comment an oxymoron? The "preaching work" consists of JW's attempting to have householders "renunciate" their faith, thereby making "apostates" out of the householders. Why would evil "apostates" want to stop the JW's attempt at making more apostates?
It is getting nauseating to hear the word "apostate" being slung around by Witnesses as
if they had a copyright to it...
Dear JW's, get a clue, "apostates" are those that have renunciated a former belief, ANY
belief, including Catholics that have become JW's!
It is NOT just JW's that have renunciated their belief! Therefore, there are apostates in your Kingdom Halls....
If, in fact, you believe that the JW's have a copyright on "apostate", perhaps you should contact
"Webster's" and have them correct the definition so it reads "Jehovah's Witnesses that have renunciated their faith."
In fact, without the apostate, Charles Russell, there would be NO WTS. Your founder, Russell, "renunciated" his faith and founded the "Bible Students."
Your organization was built on "apostasy," so stop being so nauseatingly self-righteous.......
so, who is our new poster, schibolet, and what is his or her agenda?.
let's review some quotes:.
* http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.asp?.
"Apostates don't care about victims, their real agenda is to stop the preaching work."
Isn't this comment an oxymoron? I mean if the "preaching work" consists of converting householders from their religion to another religion (JW), thereby making "apostates" out of them, why would "apostates" want to stop that?
It is getting nauseating to hear the word "apostate" being slung around by Witnesses as if they had a copyright to it...
Dear JW's, get a clue, "apostates" are those that have renunciated a former belief, ANY belief, including Catholics that have become JW's!
It is NOT just JW's that have renunciated their belief!
morons........
Unless you believe you DO have a copyright, than perhaps you should contact "Webster's" and have them correct the definition.......
taking blood willingly.
if the wt reversed its policy on blood and made it a conscience matter, would most jws still reject blood as an option?
what do you think?
The Vancouver Sun
June 14, 2000, Wednesday, FINAL
SECTION: News; A1 / Front
HEADLINE: Jehovah's Witnesses okay blood transfusions
BYLINE: Ruth Gledhill and Petti Fong
Ernie Hobbs of Chilliwack, a Jehovah's Witness whose wife Daphine LeFrans Hobbs died during surgery in 1966, said Tuesday
he does not believe the reports about the church's change of heart.
''I haven't heard anything about this. It's not true.''
The church's decision follows decades of adverse publicity about adults and children who have died or come close to death
because of their faith.
Paul Gillies, spokesman for the Jehovah's Witnesses in Britain, said the church's teaching about blood has not changed and not
taking blood is still a ''core value'' of the religion.
''It is quite possible that someone who was under pressure on an operating table would take a blood transfusion because they
did not want to die. The next day they might say they regretted this decision. We would then give them spiritual comfort and help.
No action would be taken against them. We would just view it as a moment of weakness.''
________________________________________________________________________sorry, I don't have a link, the complete article is in the blood forum.
taking blood willingly.
if the wt reversed its policy on blood and made it a conscience matter, would most jws still reject blood as an option?
what do you think?
THI:this is my "theory"
WT LAWYER #1: "those old guys are gonna have to get some "new light" on this blood policy thing, it's getting out of hand. The medical community is getting overwhelmed, we're going to end up in a major legal battle if this keeps up."
WT LAWYER #2: "are you nuts!?? the old guys can't get any "new light" on the policy now! no, it's way to late for that, that should've been done YEARS ago. Too many members have died now, if they have any major "new light," we'll REALLY open ourselves up to lawsuits from family members that lost loved ones."
WT LAWYER #1: "yea, you're right, not to mention the membership drop-off. no members, no recruits, no recruits, and we'll both end up out of a job.....and the money paid in lawsuits, talk about a paycut !"
WT LAWYER #2: "I got it, tell them to S-L-O-W-L-Y inject a "change" where a member won't be df'ed for submitting to a transfusion! This way the medical community can't hold the organization responsible, ultimately it was up to the member! We wash our hands of any responsibility.!"
WT LAWYER #1: "Brilliant! If it's not a df offense, just a sign of "weakness" to get a transfusion, we're not LIABLE!!! Just tell the old guys to NOT say that the policy's actually "changed," just that members won't be df'ed. don't make a big deal of it. We may just slide out of this potential mess too!!!!
so, who is our new poster, schibolet, and what is his or her agenda?.
let's review some quotes:.
* http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.asp?.
LISA:
thanks for the info! I already responded to him in the "21 year old dies...." thread. Schibolet claimed that the 21 year old female that died was his brother....I guess his brother was a transvestite or transsexual? so sad....
these articles most likely have previously been posted, one is from 2000 but i'm posting them in response to "dead lambs" in the may 15, 2002 friends forum....as the articles are from a news database, i don't have any links...... (yes, i edited and changed this, you're not losing it....).
copyright 2000 itar-tass news agency .
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SCHIBOLET:
I think you may be a bit confused.....I just went back over these articles, and AMAZINGLY, I don't see one that even refers to a 21 year old male. Which one is your brother?
Thanks Schibolet...you've just shown any lurkers how "decent" of people JW's can be.
these articles most likely have previously been posted, one is from 2000 but i'm posting them in response to "dead lambs" in the may 15, 2002 friends forum....as the articles are from a news database, i don't have any links...... (yes, i edited and changed this, you're not losing it....).
copyright 2000 itar-tass news agency .
tass .
SCHIBOLET:
I am truly sorry for the loss of your brother, I didn't post these articles to cause hurt to anyone, rather to point out that members of this organization, will indeed die, before they will go against a MAN-MADE POLICY disguised as the "will of God."
If you believe the Bible, which you do, why do you think that God didn't have Abraham sacrifice his son? Was it because he loved him? Yet, you believe that God expects more from us than he did from Abraham? As much as he expected from Jesus? And you call this a God of love? I believe he is a God of love, I believe that your Governing Body are a group of men that are caught up in a mess with the blood policy....They can't just receive "new light" because this would open them up to countless lawsuits...But they had to "doctor" it up a bit because the medical profession, and others, are tired of the responsibility of sustaining life with their hands tied...
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Apostates just crack me up!
Notice the subject of this thread: "21 YEAR OLD DIES REFUSING MEDICAL AID"
What a wonderful way of twisting the truth. _________________________________________________________________
This article is off a newswire database, the headline, which is in reference to the FIRST article, not your brother, "21 Year Old Dies Refusing Medical Treatment" was written by Eka Mekhuzla, not me. I really doubt that Mr. Mekhuzla is an "apostate." For your information, I am not an apostate.
Also for your information, you should look up "apostate" in the dictionary. Any JW that was of a previous faith and renunciated it to become a JW, is an "apostate." You, by going "door to door" in an attempt to "convert" others from their religion to your religion, are promoting "apostasy."
