favorite governing body member?
the dead one, hands down.....
deddaisy
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Favourite Governing Body memeber?
by the follower ini have noticed that there is a tendency in this group to speak injuriously of glorious ones.
in an attempt to help us be more "balanced" in this regard i invite all to share which governing body members they like.
who is your favourite governing body member?
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Was russel Fremason?
by happy man ini find this on unother board and i think it proof realy good that russel dont was a mason.. "there is no evidence that the 1913 discourse was an attempt to lay an issue at rest.
there is no evidence that it was.
thought that russell was a mason at the time.
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deddaisy
now that my head is spinning from "scrolling" side to side.....
my only question, which I've had for quite a while, is
if, like my JW family claim, the "truth" is not a "new" religion, that Jesus was a witness of Jehovah's, then
why was Russell, as Happy man's article states,
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OH MY GOD!!!!! WTS LOCKS JW's OUT OF KH?
by deddaisy inthis article is ooooold...but so funny that i had to post it....sorry i don't have a link........ the associated press.
february 10, 1986, monday, pm cycle .
headline: local church wins fight with national office .
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deddaisy
"So where would the WTS get off feeling that they own the building?"
seedy, when they're accustomed to the dubs asking "how high," they probaly get off feeling that they own the freaking planet......
that's what was so funny, these dubs finally sticking it to them.......
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OH MY GOD!!!!! WTS LOCKS JW's OUT OF KH?
by deddaisy inthis article is ooooold...but so funny that i had to post it....sorry i don't have a link........ the associated press.
february 10, 1986, monday, pm cycle .
headline: local church wins fight with national office .
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deddaisy
Billygoat, I emailed you, if you for some reason you don't receive it, let me know here.....
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OH MY GOD!!!!! WTS LOCKS JW's OUT OF KH?
by deddaisy inthis article is ooooold...but so funny that i had to post it....sorry i don't have a link........ the associated press.
february 10, 1986, monday, pm cycle .
headline: local church wins fight with national office .
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THIS ARTICLE IS OOOOOLD...BUT SO FUNNY THAT I HAD TO POST IT....SORRY I DON'T HAVE A LINK.......
The Associated Press
February 10, 1986, Monday, PM cycle
HEADLINE: Local Church Wins Fight With National OfficeDATELINE: BONHAM, Texas
BODY:
Members of a Jehovah's Witness congregation have declared victory in their legal fight with the denomination's national
organization over ownership of a local church.Justice of the Peace Don Jones ruled that leaders of the national group, the Watchtower Society, unlawfully changed locks and
took over the church.The denomination, known for its door-to-door evangelism, has filed an an appeal of the ruling. The dispute centered on ownership
of the Kingdom Hall and began last summer when Ralph Deal sent 14 letters to the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society in New
York asking for answers to particular theological questions.Deal testified that when he persisted with his questions, the Watchtower Society sent a committee to Bonham on July 14 to
choose new officers for the church. The group changed locks on the church after the new officers were chosen.Deal, along with Tony Jones, Wesley Ruddell and Tommy Johnson, were notified by letter that they had been "disfellowshipped"
_ or dismissed for disciplinary reasons _ from the church. They filed suit to retain possession of Kingdom Hall.The title to the property is filed with the county under "Trustees of the Bonham Congregation of Jehovah's Witnesses."
After Friday's ruling, lawyer David Mercot, representing the local church, said he thinks other individuals and congregations
dissatisfied with the Watchtower Society will be encouraged to stand up."For 40 years or more, the Watchtower Society acted like the local congregations were their pawns while in public denying any
hierarchy," Mercot said.The suit was filed because the local members were "rousted" from the church, Ruddell said. "We were intimidated to do exactly as
they said."Jehovah's Witnesses was founded by Charles T. Russell in 1884. The denomination is distinguished by its belief that only 144,000
people will go to heaven.Critics say defections from the denomination began after the world failed to end in 1975 as leaders had predicted. Other dates
cited by church leaders included 1914, 1920, 1925 and 1938.Official spokesmen for the denomination have declined to answer questions about the case.
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JW ARRESTED FOR SEX ABUSE-MAY21!!!!!!!
by deddaisy inthe associated press state & local wire .
may 21, 2002, tuesday, bc cycle .
7:46 am eastern time .
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deddaisy
thanks POPE for posting that.
I get articles from a newswire database and unfortunately they have no link.....
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"CHARLES RUSSELL DIDN'T BAN BLOOD!!!!!!"
by deddaisy inst. john's telegram .
may 19, 2002 sunday final edition .
section: religion & faith; hans rollmann; pg.
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an article where Rutherford praises transfusions?........
we should put all this info into a magazine...I know...we could call it "AWAKE, IS IT ASLEEP AT THE WHEEL?"
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"CHARLES RUSSELL DIDN'T BAN BLOOD!!!!!!"
by deddaisy inst. john's telegram .
may 19, 2002 sunday final edition .
section: religion & faith; hans rollmann; pg.
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St. John's Telegram
May 19, 2002 Sunday Final Edition
SECTION: Religion & Faith; Hans Rollmann; Pg. A10
LENGTH: 987 words
HEADLINE: Does the Bible prohibit blood transfusions?
SOURCE: Special to The Telegram
BYLINE: Hans Rollmann
BODY:
Some Jewish men gathered in an upper room in the crowded city of Jerusalem about the year 47, in order to work out their
differences in matters of Christian teaching and observance. They could hardly imagine that their compromise would have such
serious consequences for a young woman of 16 and her 51-year-old father in Calgary in 2002.Their settlement of a dispute in the Christian congregation of Antioch was intended to reunite a seriously divided church in Syria
and Cilicia and to breathe new life into the Christian mission in Asia Minor and beyond. One understanding of that compromise
could possibly now bring death to a young Jehovah's Witness suffering from leukemia in Alberta. As I listened to this girl's firm,
convinced voice on the radio, saying that to undergo a blood transfusion would deny her faith, and then heard her tortured and
shunned father say that to refuse his daughter this medical treatment would be irresponsible, I asked what matter of faith lies
behind this recurrent and troublesome issue. Is the Bible indeed counselling that no Christian should receive a blood transfusion?In Acts of the Apostles, chapter 15, the crucial text for the refusal of Jehovah's Witnesses to allow blood transfusions, we meet
two parties in council, seeking to solve a problem. From the beginning, Christ's message was understood and interpreted in
different ways. Jewish Christians saw in Jesus the promised Messiah but felt obliged to continue observing Jewish ceremonial and
dietary law. Paul, born a Jew in Cilicia and "born out of season" as a Christian missionary, offered an alternative, liberating
message that, for those living outside Judaism, "both Jews and Greeks," Christ's good news could be believed and experienced
directly without observing the requirements of Jewish law.ADAPTING JEWISH LAW
In Antioch, a mixed congregation of Christians from pagan and Jewish backgrounds had worshiped side by side until their peace
was rudely disturbed by more radical Jewish Christians, some having links with factions in Jerusalem. Paul, taking with him
Barnabas, a former member of the Jerusalem congregation, went to Jerusalem to discuss the problems in Antioch with the Jewish
Christian leadership, including Jesus' own brother James and Peter the Rock. The Jerusalem "pillars" approved Paul's
understanding of the proper relation of Gentile Christians to Jewish law and validated his mission to Gentiles. As Paul recalled the
meeting later, "They agreed that we should go to the Gentiles, and they to the Jews." (Galatians 2:9)What then should be done in churches where Christians of Jewish and Gentile backgrounds met together for worship and
common meals? Some concessions had to be made. Jewish Christians found particularly obnoxious certain Gentile eating habits.Their law specified that meat from animals that still contained the lifeblood and had not been drained of it properly could not be
consumed. In the Hebrew Bible Jews were forbidden to "eat the blood of any bird or animal" (Leviticus 7:26). Ancient Jews
reasoned that "the life of the creature is in the blood" (Leviticus 17:11). They believed that blood contained the life force itself and
had to be separated from meat before meat could be eaten.Paul and the Jerusalem leadership agreed to a solution recorded in Acts 15:28-29, that they would not burden Gentile Christians
with the observance of the Jewish law except that they should not offend their Jewish brothers and sisters and thus abstain from
"food sacrificed to idols and from blood" as well as "from the meat of strangled animals." It is the prohibition against ingesting
blood that Jehovah's Witnesses understand to include blood transfusions as well.NO ISSUE FOR SOME
For many Christians, this prohibition is no issue at all since they will interpret it as resting on ancient, prescientific assumptions
about the life-force and blood. Even among Christians for whom the Bible remains a commanding authority, or for whom its
words cannot be dismissed easily, the prohibition against ingesting blood was in the first place a concession in the service of
peaceful coexistence. In times and places where Christians are no longer in such a conflict situation and need no longer respect the
uneasy conscience of any fellow Christian about blood, the problem hardly persists.Indeed, we may ask whether the original prohibition against "eating blood" even includes the modern medical practice of blood
transfusions. Eating blood or ritually unclean meat is a dietary matter and quite different from the medical practice of transfusing
blood to replace what is lost or contaminated. Even the early leadership of the Jehovah's Witnesses understood this distinction.Jehovah's Witnesses have only adopted such a prohibition fairly recently. Their founder, Charles Taze Russell, did not consider
the Jewish dietary laws binding on Christians. Only since Clayton J. Woodward became editor of the Jehovah's Witness journal
Golden Age/Consolation and its successor Awake have particular medical practices such as vaccinations and blood transfusions
become objectionable to the Witnesses' belief system. Only in 1945 did they ban blood transfusions. In the meantime, presumably
under pressure, Jehovah's Witnesses have again allowed certain blood products such as hemoglobin to be administered medically.More than likely, if we were to tell James, Peter, Barnabas, and Paul about the consequences in 21st-century Calgary of their
solution to church troubles in 1st-century Antioch, they might well shake their heads and shed tears of disbelief and grief. They
scarcely intended that their compromise of yesteryear should become an issue of life and death for some Christians today.Hans Rollmann is a professor of religious studies at Memorial University of Newfoundland. He can be reached by e-mail
[email protected] or phone 753-0045.LOAD-DATE: May 20, 2002
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JW ARRESTED FOR SEX ABUSE-MAY21!!!!!!!
by deddaisy inthe associated press state & local wire .
may 21, 2002, tuesday, bc cycle .
7:46 am eastern time .
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The Associated Press State & Local Wire
May 21, 2002, Tuesday, BC cycle7:46 AM Eastern Time
SECTION: State and Regional
LENGTH: 400 words
HEADLINE: Leader of Jehovah's Witness congregation charged with sexual abuse
DATELINE: CHASE, Md.
BODY:
Police have charged a former leader of a Jehovah's Witness congregation in Chase with sexually abusing three women who say
the congregation discouraged them from reporting the abuse.David R. Shumaker, 39, of Felton, Pa., will be tried July 15 in Baltimore County Circuit Court on several sex offense counts and
one count of attempted rape. The incidents allegedly occurred between 1974 and 1984. At the time, the women were children
and teen-agers in the congregation and Shumaker was a ministerial servant, according to court papers.Shumaker's lawyer, Michael Pate, declined to comment.
Assistant State's Attorney Kevin Barth, the prosecutor assigned to the case, also declined to comment.
County police charged Shumaker with repeatedly molesting one of the women and performing oral sex on another at his father's
house.Shumaker, whose father is a longtime member of the congregation and is now an elder who oversees church matters, also is
accused of improperly touching a third woman."I would tell him that I was going to tell," one woman is quoted as telling police in a four-page statement of charges. "He would
twist my arm and tell me that no one would believe me, and that I liked it."One of the women said in an interview Monday that when she and the others reported the abuse in the mid-1980s, the church's
all-male group of elders refused to believe them and banished them from the congregation.All three women, who now range in age from 29 to 31, have quit the church, she said, after years of being ostracized by the
congregation and its members for making the allegations."They had this rule that you need a corroborating witness," the woman told the The (Baltimore) Sun. "How are you going to have
a witness to sex abuse? It was like no one wanted to believe us."David Semonian, a spokesman for the church at its Brooklyn headquarters, said that when a member comes forward with an
accusation of abuse, two elders meet with the accuser and then with the accused to see if the complaint is valid."We do look for some corroborating evidence," he said. "The Bible directs that no single witness should rise up against any man."
Semonian said that he is unsure what policies the Jehovah's Witnesses followed when the women complained in the 1980s, but he
said the church has become "very aggressive" in protecting children from abuse.LOAD-DATE: May 21, 2002
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WT DOES OWN MILITARY STOCK!!!!!!!!!!
by deddaisy in[ profile above ] re: how many awakes would i have to sell?
madapostate and mccullough,.
either you're very bad researchers, or you're wt-ites....i don't understand how you, madapostate, can claim to be such a good researcher and seem to find, without any effort, the sources of the wts writers' material for the awake, yet not find, in all your research, the fact that regi is , in fact, owned by the wts...weird, huh?....it's too late, i've already submitted, weeks ago, all the documentation to:.
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[ Profile Above ] Re: HOW MANY AWAKES Would I Have To Sell? May 18, 2002 03:54
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MADAPOSTATE and MCCULLOUGH,
either you're VERY BAD researchers, or you're WT-ites....I don't understand how you, MadApostate, can claim to be such a good researcher and seem to find, without any effort, the sources of the WTS writers' material for the AWAKE, yet not find, in all your research, the fact that REGI is , in fact, owned by the WTS...weird, huh?....It's too late, I've already submitted, weeks ago, all the documentation to:
60 MINUTES
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48 Hours
Nightline
World News Tonight
Good Morning America
ABC NEWS
FOX NEWS
and NUMEROUS NEWSPAPERS
if in fact, they don't publicize the fact that you are nothing more than a hypocritical BUSINESS venture immediately, I could care less....They now have documentation on file and they will summons your organization when they have cause, which is all I'm concerned with. They now have it in black and white... the organization, the WTS, that deplores the military, does in deed, have stock in a company that profits from military applications. It's too late, it's in their files, in their hard-drive, for future reference.
Isn't it strange, how "concerned" you were with the Calgary girl, that now you're nowhere to be found....you lose assholes......