Posts by deddaisy

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Class Action Lawsuit based on misinformation*

by biblexaminer in

i have long considered a lawsuit against the watchtower organization.

i realize that i am not the only one.

there are now presently many who are seriously considering it, and some who are actively pursuing it.

deddaisy

Examiner, I also was raised in the so-called "truth." When I got old enough that I could see how the organization was attempting to chart the course of the lives of its members, and felt they had no business making plans for the lives of others, I told my father that I no longer wanted to attend meetings. Well this went over really well, the elders convinced my father that this was proof that I had too many "wordly" associates. I was then sheltered even more from school activities and friends that I had known most of my life. I'll never forget the response I got from a Witness when I contemplated going, GASP, to a Homecoming Dance: "Well you know what will happen to you if Armageddon comes while you're at a wordly function!" Jesus, and people wonder why so many raised in this moronic cult end up neurotic?

So I do understand where you're coming from Examiner, there is no doubt in my mind that the bullshit of my childhood AND adulthood, while watching my father being shunned by his children for da'ing himself, AND all the other Unnecessary JW Bullshit in this short enough life, was due to the teachings of this moronic organization. The bottom line is, the organization did not FORCE our parents to become members of their organization. And freedom of religion allows freedom of thought, no matter how moronic the thought. It is an ACTION that will get them nailed.

I was just agreeing with Path, the public does not particularly care what adult JWs do, unless there's sex and murder involved. But the public DOES take notice when children are not being protected.....and this is the way it should be.

Have you checked out Mr. Hughes site ? You don't even have to be a former JW to be part of the class action. If you feel you've been harmed by the WTS, you can join the class in suing the WTS.

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Class Action Lawsuit based on misinformation*

by biblexaminer in

i have long considered a lawsuit against the watchtower organization.

i realize that i am not the only one.

there are now presently many who are seriously considering it, and some who are actively pursuing it.

deddaisy

Path, I agree with you that the public isn't really all that interested in JWs being misled. It would be comparable to the people that are talking about suing the fast-food industries for making them fat........

Now it's a different story when minors are involved. If nothing else, at least the public is made aware of the fact that there are states that do not have sufficient laws to protect children. It's a shame that we have to depend on the government to protect children, but when children have crackheads for parents, or have religious fanatics for parents who can't figure out to go to the authorities, can't figure out to allow a child the chance to live, can't figure out much of anything except to seek counsel from other religious fanatics who also refuse to think for themselves and whom contact the top religious fanatics who proceed to tell them to follow the law of the land. Between the parents, the church, the church's leaders, and the government, you'd think one of them would figure out that ANY allegation of child molestation should be reported for the welfare of all involved. Bottom line is, if there is no law of the land to provide for a child, well tough luck for the kid that gets stuck with religious fanatics for parents. That's the reason for laws, for those unable to think for themselves. (As in minors, mentally handicapped, and religious fanatics.)

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You can hate for many years, but you can love for

by kenpodragon in

jw
friends

one of those subjects we all study at some point in school, is the holocaust.

i remember thinking before i learned about it, that i knew all the horrors of this event already.

after all, it had been mentioned on many programs.

deddaisy

Life is so much about these small lessons and things mentioned we never think will apply. The joy to me, is finding the reason for them later.

This reminds me so much of my mom, whom I lost a few year ago. Thank you for the gentle reminder Dragon.

dd

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Class Action Lawsuit based on misinformation*

by biblexaminer in

i have long considered a lawsuit against the watchtower organization.

i realize that i am not the only one.

there are now presently many who are seriously considering it, and some who are actively pursuing it.

deddaisy

DW-----I'm not familiar with the firms mentioned at Mr. Hughes site, only because there's no reason that I would be familiar with law firms in Texas or Canada. But I don't see any reason to believe that these firms would be anything other than on the level. But I agree with you, we have to trust up to a point, but ultimately we have to rely on trusting our own judgments. Just like we would get as much information as necessary before making a decision when purchasing a house, buying a car, or finding a daycare, its only reasonable that we would inform ourselves when contemplating a lawsuit and lawyer. Hopefully we make informed decisions. After that point I guess we have to trust that our judgment was good. If not, we'd never make a move in life.

blue-----how wild ! you should demand your "share!"

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Class Action Lawsuit based on misinformation*

by biblexaminer in

i have long considered a lawsuit against the watchtower organization.

i realize that i am not the only one.

there are now presently many who are seriously considering it, and some who are actively pursuing it.

deddaisy

on second thought, I better add that information provided at Mr. Hughe's website mentioned that the class action suit may very well be on a contingency basis. The $100.00 that each interested party is asked to submit is to be held in a trust fund handled by a Canadian law firm. After it can be determined how many interested parties there are, each party has the option of not proceeding and having their money returned. At least this is my understanding of the posted information.

But to state that there is no class action suit being pondered may alarm those that have sent money to this trust in good faith. LoveNorris is not pursing a class action, but that does not mean a class action is not being pondered.

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Class Action Lawsuit based on misinformation*

by biblexaminer in

i have long considered a lawsuit against the watchtower organization.

i realize that i am not the only one.

there are now presently many who are seriously considering it, and some who are actively pursuing it.

deddaisy

Mr. Hughe's wording in the "Worldwide Mass Class Action Suit Against WTS" thread may have been confusing, but both his post, through Randy, and the link to his site on that thread,

http://www.watchtower-victims.org/

most certainly speak about a class action suit as well as mass individual suits. The class action is the suit that would require interested persons to submit $100.00. And the reasons to be part of that action, unlike the cases being handled by LoveNorris, vary from being shunned to being harmed by the WTS, etc. (The list of reasons is at the site.)

LoveNorris is not handling the class action suit, but individual suits which are limited to child abuse or wrongful death actions. She is also handling these on a contingency basis, so there would be no need in paying $100.00.

I believe what is confusing is putting "mass" in front of class action and then discussing both mass individual suits and class actions. But according to the link, there is definitely a class action being pondered. If this is not case, hopefully the class action references will be deleted from the website. Simon says work is being done on the site, so hopefully Mr. Hughes can catch his breath and do some fine-tuning. I give Mr. Hughes enormous credit for putting together this website and attempting such a proposition when he has been through such a devastating event.

Edited by - deddaisy on 30 September 2002 22:37:37

Edited by - deddaisy on 30 September 2002 22:47:56

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Class Action Lawsuit based on misinformation*

by biblexaminer in

i have long considered a lawsuit against the watchtower organization.

i realize that i am not the only one.

there are now presently many who are seriously considering it, and some who are actively pursuing it.

deddaisy

I'm having a mental moment here...forgot to say this, so I'll add my last thought and move on....

I want to prove that they lied to me, and I hence "invested" in the WTS my funds, my time and resources. I was misled.

I know that I "invested" heavily in stock and recently lost a big chunk of my investment. I was definitely misled, but would have a difficult time providing evidence that my financial advisor should be held responsible. But if you have proof that they intentionally lied to you, along with proof that you were "harmed" by their intentional lies, maybe you should consult a lawyer.

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Class Action Lawsuit based on misinformation*

by biblexaminer in

i have long considered a lawsuit against the watchtower organization.

i realize that i am not the only one.

there are now presently many who are seriously considering it, and some who are actively pursuing it.

deddaisy

you do make some excellent points BE, but I agree with everybody else, without evidence of being "scammed," most likely you'd be wasting even more of your time on the WTS by pursuing a suit, at least on your own. It would be a different story if you had some type of physical evidence, for instance correspondence between WTS leaders, in which they disclosed that they were aware of "untruths" they were teaching, but their action of lying was allowing them to extort money, etc. from members. And you could prove that you'd been harmed by their action of lying. Say they extorted your bank account, house, etc. Without some evidence of harm though, well maybe Johnny Cochran could pull it off ! LOL ...Its as if organized religion is a legal racket. Look at some of these t.v. evangelizers, the people who can least afford it, send the money in.

On the other hand, there is strength in numbers......

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Class Action Lawsuit based on misinformation*

by biblexaminer in

i have long considered a lawsuit against the watchtower organization.

i realize that i am not the only one.

there are now presently many who are seriously considering it, and some who are actively pursuing it.

deddaisy

This won't work. Period. At least not in the USA. Religions are FREE to say whatever crap they say, and people are FREE to believe or not believe that CRAP.

I agree, religions are free to say whatever crap they say. In fact, well at least in most state statutes, molesters can have THOUGHTS of molesting a child, they can tell someone in detail what they'd do to a neighbor's three-year-old. They can only be charged with ACTIONS they commit, not ideas that they have. So, if I personally were to bring suit against anyone, a religious organization included, I'd go for a ACTION. But no organization or individual is above the law when it comes down to their actions. I mean look at the Catholic Church ! I haven't really kept up on it and I stand to be corrected, but isn't it the Church that's being sued ? The Church certainly didn't molest anybody, but the Church's action of moving priests around seemed to get the Church in a bit of judicial trouble. And take for example Charles Manson. Old, old case, yea.....But he was found guilty and is still in prison even though he never stepped a foot in the homes in which the victims had been murdered.

Abuse....minors.....elders calling WTS for advice ? Elders are ordained ministers representing the WTS ? I'd nail their asses to the wall.

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Hey ... we got a real nut here !

by Simon in

jw
friends

just got this from a real well informed, clear thinking, "sister" (?

(about the http://www.watchtower-victims.org/ site)

--- cynthia apperson --- [email protected] --- earthlink: the #1 provider of the real internet.

deddaisy

did anybody actually read through her entire email ?

well you little squirm worms !