wasn't dissidents, Any witnesses doubting the Watchtower's history with the Great Pyramid can just check out Jehovah's Witnesses on Wikipedia. It's not an apostate website, and if it weren't a fact that Russell had religious beliefs based on the Pyramid then it's difficult to comprehend why the Watchtower Society hasn't dragged Wikipedia into court for defamation..............anyway, I came across this page in the back of Russell's old book, The Divine Plan of the Ages, A Helping Hand For Bible Students. It's the 1911 edition by the International Bible Students Association but has a copyright of 1886 by the Watch Tower Bible & Tract Society, Brooklyn NY. Anyway, I've left a few of the blah, blah lines out, because I don't feel like typing it all, but this is most of it straight from the Watchtower Society's publication cited above, notice the parts I've bolded:
THINGS YOU OUGHT TO KNOW
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CHRISTIAN BIBLE STUDENTS
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DO YOU KNOW THAT
--We are now living in “the Time of the End” of this Gospel age?
--Our epoch is “the day of God’s Preparation” for the Millennial age?
--The “Days of Waiting” are ended and the “Cleansing of the Sanctuary—the Church,--the separating of its Wheat and Tares, is now in progress?
--This favor is gradually taking shape and known as Zionism?
--Immanuel’s Kingdom is now in process of establishment?
--The Great Pyramid in Egypt is a Witness to all these events of the ages and of our day—testifying in symbols?
--The Pyramid’s downward passage under “A Draconis” symbolizes the course of sin? Its First Ascending Passage symbolizes the Jewish age? Its Grand Gallery symbolizes the Gospel age? Its Upper Step symbolizes the approaching period of tribulation and anarchy, “Judgments,” upon Christendom? Its King Chamber the Divine Nature, etc., of the Overcoming Church—the Christ, Head and Body? Its Ante-Chamber the Correction in Righteousness of the “Great Company” etc.? Its Queen’s Chamber those of Israel and the world who attain Restitution?
All these interesting topics with ten Pyramid illustrations can be had in
“Thy Kingdom Come”
(In English, German, Swedish, Dano-Norwegian and Greek)
380 PAGES—CLOTH BOUND 35 CENTS, POSTPAID; DELIVERED BY COLPOR-
TEURS, 35 CENTS.
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ADDRESS ORDERS TO PUBLISHERS
WATCH TOWER BIBLE 7 TRACT SOCIETY
BROOKLYN, N.Y., U.S.A.
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Russell's Gravesite Pictures - (just got back from Pittsburgh)
by thecarpenter inwell folks, got back from my trip to see russell's grave site.
it was quite a interesting experience and sobering to see the pyramid right by his tombstone.
i'm kind of tired and will be hitting the sack soon but i wanted to post a few pictures.
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school brochure , can anyone help
by MUNKAFATS inim looking for more info on the school brochure , i cant seem to find this anywhere , i have tried free minds , any suggestions would be great , have to go shopping now , will be back later , thanks
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I don't know about the school brochure, but I know if I was in a custody battle with a "witness" I'd find an old copy of this Watchtower for my attorney:
"Many schools now have student counselors who encourage one to pursue higher education after high school, to pursue a career with a future in this system of things. Do not be influenced by them. Do not let them 'brainwash' you with the Devil's propaganda to get ahead, to make something of yourself in this world. The world has very little time left! Any 'future' this world offers is no future!"
------------The Watchtower, March 15 1969, p 171.
oh? JWs have a different outlook now? Regarding education, or regarding the world having "very little time left?" Brainwashing with the Devil's propaganda !? If that's how education was viewed one can imagine how cheerleading would be viewed by the Watchtower Society. oh, and don't forget, all first graders love to have to go sit in the office or get picked up early instead of participating in class parties. makes for healthy self esteem.............
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WTS is a cult
by OnTheWayOut inwts is a cult.
this excerpt is from steven hassans book.
he says that there are four components.
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blah, blah, blah, I can only dictate,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,I can only dictate................................I am so indoctrinated that I can't spell or speak..................
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"The phrase 'non-governmental organization' came into use with the establishment of the United Nations in 1945 with provisions in Article 71 of Chapter 10 of the United Nations Charter [1] for a consultative role for organizations that neither are governments nor member states – see Consultative Status. The definition of 'international NGO' (INGO) is first given in resolution 288 (X) of ECOSOC on February 27, 1950: it is defined as 'any international organisation that is not founded by an international treaty'. The vital role of NGOs and other "major groups" in sustainable development was recognized in Chapter 27 [2] of Agenda 21, leading to revised arrangements for consultative relationship between the United Nations and non-governmental organizations." [3]
"Globalization during the 20th century gave rise to the importance of NGOs. Many problems could not be solved within a nation. International treaties and international organizations such as the World Trade Organization were perceived as being too centered on the interests of capitalist enterprises. In an attempt to counterbalance this trend, NGOs have developed to emphasize humanitarian issues, developmental aid and sustainable development. A prominent example of this is the World Social Forum which is a rival convention to the World Economic Forum held annually in January in Davos, Switzerland. The fifth World Social Forum in Porto Alegre, Brazil, in January 2005 was attended by representatives from more than 1,000 NGOs."
--------------------Wikipedia (history of Non-governmental organizations)
" The Watchtower was never an Associate of the UN, nor were they the
"UN's NGO." The UN Department of Public Information is not the UN. The
Watchtower Society was never a part of the UN, nor did they join the UN.
Any such statements are easily deniable and easily disprovable and will
weaken anything else you have to say to an active JW."--------------------------Auld Soul ("Another reason to be an NGO" thread)
The Watchtower Society's affiliation with the DPI put it in direct association with one of the United Nation's major organs, the Secretariat. How is it possible that one can be part of a "major organ" of the body without actually being a "part" of the body ? http://www.un.org/aboutun/chart.html
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On Memorial Day in the US
by deddaisy inraised in a family of jws, i was taught that memorial day was a worldly celebration.
and i believed that the wts was right and all war was wrong.
as i grow older, and watch those born in a carefree generation grow, i pause and wonder what would've been if all the eighteen year-olds in the 1940s would've been jehovah's witnesses.
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Raised in a family of JWs, I was taught that Memorial Day was a worldly celebration. And I believed that the WTS was right and all war was wrong. As I grow older, and watch those born in a carefree generation grow, I pause and wonder what would've been if all the eighteen year-olds in the 1940s would've been Jehovah's Witnesses. How many more lives would've the little man Hitler destroyed ? Would the world now be a better place ? How many copies of "Paradise Lost" would've been "placed" in the 1960s ? Would we all be in "Paradise?"
I've watched at gravesides as newly-disfellowshipped persons were lowered into the ground without a "brother" in sight. Perhaps this person had brutally murdered a stranger. Perhaps he had killed a child. His sin ? I don't know, perhaps he had smoked a cigarette or allowed his child to accept blood. How could he ? Certainly Jesus himself would not have forgived such a sin, how can we ?
To those that allow a corporation to dictate their hearts, those led astray are to be envied. If the annoucement is that you're disfellowshipped, who would stand by you ? They are your true family.
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WATCHTOWER AND TOBACCO INDUSTRY???
by chuckyy in.
i have heard recently that the society has some sort of financial connections with philip morris the tobacco giant.. is this true???
chukyy
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But as for the subject of this irrepressible thread, the bottom line for me is that I do not fault the Society for either refusing to accept the funds of this specific trust or for not making a better effort to monitor all such donations and sources; because frankly, I don't expect the Society to have such high moral standards.
-----------------------Eduardo
ok..........but it's acceptable that the SOCIETY instructs a brother or sister to DISASSOCIATE ONESELF FROM A FAMILY MEMBER for INDULGING in the same product that the WTS failed to monitor it had profited from............duh, NO, I'm not brainwashed......
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WATCHTOWER AND TOBACCO INDUSTRY???
by chuckyy in.
i have heard recently that the society has some sort of financial connections with philip morris the tobacco giant.. is this true???
chukyy
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deddaisy
But as for the subject of this irrepressible thread, the bottom line for me is that I do not fault the Society for either refusing to accept the funds of this specific trust or for not making a better effort to monitor all such donations and sources; because frankly, I don't expect the Society to have such high moral standards.
-----------------------Eduardo
so then why are you even on this site Ed ? You're willing to waste time and life discussing the morals of what you deem an immoral society ? Isn't that called "gossip?" Or perhaps you never had the pleasure of discussing morals with one who was disfellowshipped for (gasp!) smoking tobacco ?
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come on guys, you can do better than this !
by deddaisy inyawn, bore, blah.................come on guys, jw's are getting pretty dusty here, where's the zest on this board ?
tell your relatives, friends, etc: hey, you were part of the u.n., the watchtower bible & tract society owned a majority of stock in a jw company that had military contracts, the organization that you represent was false prophesying that the world was going to end in the 1800s through the 1900s, and when you can prove to me otherwise, than maybe i'll talk to you.
these guys are just going along with the program because they've gone along this far and they don't know what else to do with their lives because all of their acquaintances are part of this organization and their lives are almost up.............................to turn completely against this organization would be declaring defeat of their very lives.
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Hi AVENGERS ! Better late than never huh bud ?! Hope you're doing wonderfully and enjoying LIFE ! As I wish for everyone here, we most likely wouldn't be here if we weren't knee-deep to head-deep in JW shit, oops, sorry...............JW issues (?) yes Avengers, not sure if I'm alive but definitely still kicking !
"My 17 yr old daughter refused to go to the meetings, she was hurt too. Judgemental elders, crazy sisters. I brought her up to think (isnt that what we were supposed to be doing) and I love her and especially her spirit. And could not in good conscience let her be further suppressed. Maybe now she can have some kind of normal adult life. "--------------------
You are a wise person beyond your years. Grasp your daughter while you can and DON'T let this religion, or any other religion, break your bond from her.......................................
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come on guys, you can do better than this !
by deddaisy inyawn, bore, blah.................come on guys, jw's are getting pretty dusty here, where's the zest on this board ?
tell your relatives, friends, etc: hey, you were part of the u.n., the watchtower bible & tract society owned a majority of stock in a jw company that had military contracts, the organization that you represent was false prophesying that the world was going to end in the 1800s through the 1900s, and when you can prove to me otherwise, than maybe i'll talk to you.
these guys are just going along with the program because they've gone along this far and they don't know what else to do with their lives because all of their acquaintances are part of this organization and their lives are almost up.............................to turn completely against this organization would be declaring defeat of their very lives.
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I apologize, I got a bit screwed up on who said what, thus I've omitted most names (Gill, Jez, Alone in Oh) from quotes instead of applying the incorrect name to each quote......................
Sorry to bore you, how about a game of golf?--------------------Golf
Hi Golf, noone on this board has ever bored me ! I was being a bit facetious, in actuality it's the JW thing I think we all get to the point of being bored with. I think even the die-hard JWs are gettting bored with BEING JWs. Honestly, the sisters that come to my door (diehards) look SOOO tired, it's almost as if they're old actresses that have said their lines so many times that now they just want to get it done with so they can collect their paycheck .......... AND, I of course listen to the spiel nonchalently because I realize that talking to a witness in person is like talking to a wall.
Actually I am truly fond of MOST of the JWs I know, but I recall as a kid many being ARROGANT and SELF RIGHTEOUS, turning their noses up at anyone who wasn't a JW. NOW, they see that many so called "worldly" people may have experienced the SAME life experiences as them, that all "worldly" people don't have tragic things happen to them because they DESERVE it, that JW-ism did not protect JWs from life, and now it doesn't protect them from growing old. They're growing old right along with the ones they felt superior to. They're now as bored with the JW lingo as we are.......................
"Everyone where I work knows that I am an exjw. I even used to tell them
that I believed it was the truth, but I just didn't want to live that
way".---------------We go through "deprogramming," don't you think ? I swear, I was away from this goofy religion for YEARS, never was baptized, NEVER was comfortable with it, and STILL somehow thought they were "right." I realize now that someone that "blinded by the light" most likely won't hear with an open mind what's being said. That is why I now refrain from arguing about the WTS's "truth" with JWs..................
"I totally agree with you. We HAVE to do more but it's not that easy.
IF we don't act slowly and rationally they don't listen, meaning relatives
and immeadiately the shutter go up."-----------------------I totally agree, the shutters don't just "go" up, they're ALWAYS up. I don't talk to my relatives regarding the "truth" anymore. So many on this board and elsewhere have paved the way and made it easy to attempt to reach JWs without discussing the truth with them. Hopefully you'll reach my relatives, I'll reach yours. Well, eventually. I make copies of UN papers and send them to everyone I know to give to JWs that come to the door. I send them out of state and have a friend mail them to halls and JWs. This Memorial I'll put nothing more than the UN's website address on a paper and put it on each car in the K.H. lot. I don't care if it only reaches one witness. If just ONE witness gets curious and looks it up, it's worth it. But I know if enough people do this, sooner or later wondering JWs will receive information that they can glance at in the privacy of their homes without confrontation. Plant the seed, right..................
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I love Ebay.....I saved and made $$$$
by HappyDad inanyone have experience selling on ebay?.
i recently started learning about it and bought a brand new total gym (the infomercial by chuck norris and christy brinkley).
it sells for $1,495.00 if you call the infomercial number.
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deddaisy
BUY ON EBAY !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!