Hawkaw,
I came across some articles about this, each one heartbreaking....One article said that this father's legal bill totaled over $100,000. It had the same address that you posted for sending checks...One article said that while she was in the hospital the "meetings" were piped into her room and her father wasn't allowed in the room at this time...at least they're on the mend.....
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Blood Issue- Calgary Father Needs Help
by hawkaw inthe father asked me yesterday on the phone if any more of you could help him out with respect to his financial situation in defending against the wts to keep his daughter alive.
he is deeply greatful to all who have helped so far.. as you are aware the wts is trying to prevent his daughter from having life saving blood transfusions during her chemo therapy.
she has leukemia.. the father has won all court battles in all alberta courts.
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JW's okay blood transfusions???
by deddaisy inthe vancouver sun .
june 14, 2000, wednesday, final .
religion.
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Gumby, I saved that article to disc, it's from the college database which, unfortunately, I can only save to disc or print from. of course, I'm not very computer "savy," but you need a password to access the database remotely, which is successful only half the time....
yes, the article is almost 2 years old, but interesting nevertheless ...not unlike the other articles I came across, which also seem confusing as to just where the "society" stands when it comes to a JW actually submitting to a transfusion....You're probaly familiar with the baby in Zambia, from October 2000, that needed a transfusion, which of course her JW parents refused to have. The spokesman for the Zambia WTS, however, stated in the article that
"THERE IS NO POLICY IN THE CHURCH WHICH BARS ANYONE FROM BLOOD TRANSFUSION, IT IS ALL A PERSONAL CHOICE THAT ANYONE IS ENTITLED TO."- Clement SambonaI had never heard this before, and even though another WT member in the article supported the parents' decision, it seemed confusing as to WHY, if "there is no policy in the church which bars anyone from blood," THE SISTER IN THE ARTICLE BELOW was df'ed for just TALKING about blood transfusions.....
Copyright 2001 Micromedia Limited
Canadian Business and Current
Copyright 2001 Canadian Press
Canadian Press NewswireMarch 22, 2001
SECTION: Mr 22'01
CBCA-ACC-NO: 5075237
LENGTH: 440 words
HEADLINE: Questioning blood transfusion stance results in Jehovah's Witness expulsion
BODY:
PORT ALBERNI, B.C. (CP) _ After 16 years as a Jehovah's Witness, Jackie
Milne decided she would violate a strictly enforced church rule and
receive a blood transfusion if her life was at stake.Although she has never received a transfusion, Milne was kicked out of the
religion and members of the congregation no longer speak to her.Now labelled an apostate by the religion, Milne claims she wasn't trying to
teach anything contrary to the church's teaching, but was merely
questioning the dogma. Within 24 hours of undertaking her own door-knocking campaign _ a common
practice of the religion's members _ to discuss the blood issue with other
Jehovah's Witnesses, she was expelled.She appealed unsuccessfully.
By virtue of the church's teachings, Jehovah's Witnesses abstain from
illegal drugs, adultery, voting and blood transfusions.Abstaining from drugs, adultery and voting can't kill a person, but Milne
said abstaining from blood transfusions can.Her conclusions were drawn after reading more than 400 passages in the
Bible which make reference to blood, she said.''I was disfellowshipped over only talking about the blood issue,'' she
said. ''To get me out as an apostate, they said I was trying to teach them
something.''All I was trying to say was that after reading just the 100 passages in
the New Testament regarding blood, I couldn't support that (teaching).''Members of Milne's former congregation refused to speak on the issue, but
the religion's headquarters provided a spokesperson.Dennis Charland, the Georgetown, Ont.-based spokesperson for Jehovah's
Witnesses in Canada, said the church is committed to its teachings and to
its members.When a member strays from the fold, Charland said, the church attempts to
work with him or her through Bible studies and counselling. But if all
attempts fail, that person is free to leave the church.''We don't excommunicate willy-nilly. We work very hard to help people who
have made moral mistakes,'' he said.Charland said the Jehovah's Witness teachings regarding blood transfusions
are based on readings of the more than 400 Biblical passages regarding
blood.People can reach their own conclusions, he said, but the Jehovah's Witness
teaching must be respected by the church's membership.While he wouldn't comment on Milne's case specifically, Charland said the
church has no choice but to disfellowship people who disrupt a
congregation.Milne said her excommunication was the result of an unwillingness to accept
a different view, and a result of Jehovah's Witnesses' faith in their
leaders.JOURNAL-CODE: 1418
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JW's okay blood transfusions???
by deddaisy inthe vancouver sun .
june 14, 2000, wednesday, final .
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The Vancouver Sun
June 14, 2000, Wednesday, FINAL
SECTION: News; A1 / Front
LENGTH: 531 words
HEADLINE: Jehovah's Witnesses okay blood transfusions
BYLINE: Ruth Gledhill and Petti Fong
BODY:
Jehovah's Witnesses are to be allowed to accept blood transfusions after an extraordinary U-turn by leaders of the
controversial religion.Elders have decreed that Jehovah's Witnesses who accept blood transfusions under life-or-death conditions will no longer
face excommunication from their religion.The move represents the biggest climbdown in the movement since the predicted Armageddon failed to materialize as forecast in
1975. The decision, arrived at by a secret meeting of the 12-member world governing body at the movement's headquarters in
New York, was dismissed as a ''slight adjustment'' by the religion's leaders.But the mother of a Burnaby woman who died after refusing a transfusion said she hopes the change will prevent similar deaths
in future.''It's too late for me and my grandchildren,'' said Helen Sorenson of Edmonton. ''But maybe someone else will have a chance at
living now because of this.''Sorenson's 31-year-old daughter, Audrey Lois Lawson, died in 1987 after giving birth to twins. Lawson had experienced
post-partum bleeding and died of hemorrhagic shock.When first admitted to hospital, she signed a consent form stating she wanted no blood transfusion for religious reasons.
Lawson was a member of the Jehovah's Witness church, which views life as a gift from God, represented by blood. Witnesses
interprets certain Bible passages to mean that they cannot accept any form of blood transfusion.Sorenson, who has been raising her grandchildren after her daughter's death, said she does not want them following their mother's
religion.''It could have been dangerous for them,'' she said Tuesday. ''Many innocent lives were lost because of this decision not to allow
transfusions. I hope no more.''Ernie Hobbs of Chilliwack, a Jehovah's Witness whose wife Daphine LeFrans Hobbs died during surgery in 1966, said Tuesday
he does not believe the reports about the church's change of heart.''I haven't heard anything about this. It's not true.''
There are about 14,000 Jehovah's Witnesses in the Lower Mainland, and about 25,000 in B.C., said Al Hamacher, a long-time
member of the church's medical liaison committee.Hamacher, who also said he doesn't believe the reports that church policy has changed, said in the nearly 50 years he has been a
Witness, he has never known anyone who died from refusing a blood transfusion.''We die from the same thing everyone else does. Taking blood or not has nothing to do with it.''
The church's decision follows decades of adverse publicity about adults and children who have died or come close to death
because of their faith.Paul Gillies, spokesman for the Jehovah's Witnesses in Britain, said the church's teaching about blood has not changed and not
taking blood is still a ''core value'' of the religion.''It is quite possible that someone who was under pressure on an operating table would take a blood transfusion because they
did not want to die. The next day they might say they regretted this decision. We would then give them spiritual comfort and help.
No action would be taken against them. We would just view it as a moment of weakness.''END
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In the above article, Hamacher says "he has never known anyone that died from refusing a blood transfusion." What is he saying, that the Witnesses that HAVE died from refusing transfusions don't count because they didn't know him, or so few have died that it's not important?
Also, check out Gillies in the last paragraph "...someone who was under pressure on an operating table would take a blood transfusion..."
EXCUSE ME???? that's certainly the time to be making a life or death decision, when you're most likely unconscious........
so what they're saying is "well go ahead and sign the form refusing blood, but if it looks like you may actually DIE, well at that time it's ok to change your mind," that is, if you're still conscious... -
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PRESS RELEASE
by silentlambs inplease distribute freely to press.. silentlambs.
tuesday, may 7. .
jehovah's witnesses begin excommunicating child sexual abuse whistleblowers .
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God "directs" the organization.
Therefore, the organization's policies are directed by God.
Therefore, this policy ,that allows harm to come to children, was directed by God.
This policy is now causing discord and shame on God's organization.
Therefore, God brought shame on his own organization.
Does anyone think that this rationale is possibly insulting to God?As for "persecution," isn't the WTS persecuting the victims, Bill, Barbara, and anyone with a mind and mouth........
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Congregations receive branch letter about UN
by cyberguy ini don't know if this has been posted on this site yet, but i came across something that indicates that congregations in germany were sent a letter of explanation (or rather, deception) about the societys un connection.. scroll to the end of page -- .
http://www.quotes.jehovahswitnesses.com/united_nations.htm.
can someone do a better translation from german to english?
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"not part of the UN"....."only registered as an NGO with the DPI"
what the hell is up with this defense? This is what a JW relative said to me when we were discussing this..."well they weren't actually part of the UN, they were only a NGO with the DPI." obviously with the availability of information on the Internet, anyone that CARED ENOUGH to check it out, could go to the UN's website and the organizational chart for "The UNITED NATIONS SYSTEM" shows the "secretariat" as an organ of the UN system, and the "DPI" listed as one of the Secretariat's departments. but as we all know, until someone wants to know the real truth, they are just going to believe what they are told to believe....it's much easier that way.... -
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Will silentlambs Be DF???
by silentlambs inwell now we have it, what appears to be the pre-emptive strike from wt.. as of this friday three families who appeared on the dateline program have been informed judicial committees have been setup with a one week notice and it is alleged that they have been causing "divisions" within the organization.
i got my letter today, barbara anderson got hers yesterday and the other family earlier this week.. if you were a pr firm would you think it to be a good idea or a bad idea to df everyone a couple of weeks before the dateline program airs?
what do you think the american public will think of such a move?.
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"WHAT SADDENS US THE MOST IS NOT"
that our policy may have unintentionally allowed a child to be harmed, or prevented a child from beginning a healing process, but that certain members have the audacity to question our, or rather policies directed by Jehovah God. Yes, that's it, Jehovah God has not yet let us know why it is that we should protect molesters, but you can be assured that we will be filing as a "friend of the court" at the upcoming Catholic Church proceedings........In the meantime, we will cleanse our organization of these, of these, PROTECTORS OF CHILDREN........... -
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PREEMPTIVE STRIKE/DATELINE
by Masterji inthe purpose of a preemptive strike against those involved in dateline is to throw them into the "enemy camp.
" any bad pr can be countered as: it's them against us ; persecution; enemy attack.
this tactic has worked in the past to their advantage.. their aim is to keep the r & f in the pen.. mulan has a good suggestion.
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"Dateline" is not a second-rate show, they are not going to air this show without stating that at the time of the TAPING, these Witnesses were in good standing...I mean, when did they TAPE the show, last July? Now all of a sudden, when it is going to AIR, they are all, coincidentally, brought in for judicial meetings. This makes the WTS look even worse....Dateline is going to let it be known that they didn't interview a bunch of "disgruntled" ex-members, they'd be fools not to make that known to viewers! and I don't think that it's Dateline that is going to look like the jackasses this time around.....who CARES if the r&f says they are only disgruntled "ex-members," they are not going to see the truth about this organization until they are ready to anyway....what's important is that the public, you know, the people on the other side of the door, will see what this org is about.......ex-communicating members that were trying to help victims of molestation, something the organization was obviously not concerned with doing itself, is definitely not a cool thing to do.......
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Will silentlambs Be DF???
by silentlambs inwell now we have it, what appears to be the pre-emptive strike from wt.. as of this friday three families who appeared on the dateline program have been informed judicial committees have been setup with a one week notice and it is alleged that they have been causing "divisions" within the organization.
i got my letter today, barbara anderson got hers yesterday and the other family earlier this week.. if you were a pr firm would you think it to be a good idea or a bad idea to df everyone a couple of weeks before the dateline program airs?
what do you think the american public will think of such a move?.
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for the WTS to be making this stupid of a move they must be scared ....hey WTS, how's it feel to be in bed with the Catholic Church....how's the sex compared to, uummmm, lets see, the "Wild Beast?"
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so you want to knock down the wt
by one inyou a right to start a crusade and the right to get a life and still feel free to write and talk as you please specially if the writting and talking is going to help someone.
then a sucker is born and the cycle start all over.. being realistic the usa has been trying to nock down a regime in cuba for half a decade... besides writting and talking against it.
anyway what goes up must come down, but for more than a millenium this law hasn't aplied to some churches, catholic.. why do i care about this anyway?.
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How many left over the UN issue?
by seedy3 ini don't know if this q has been brought up on the forum, if so i apoligize, but i was just thinking about this today, and wondered how many here left or are thinking about or trying to leave the b-org as result of the un fiasco?
how many do you know of that left due to this?.
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Ginosko:
I'm certainly no angel, but I believe that there are worse things than "feeling alone," and one of them is to live a lie......