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Blood for JW`s- Some can?
by Beans inyes some jehovahs witnesses can have blood,most are unaware of this double standard http://www.quotes.jehovahswitnesses.com/euro_blood.htmhttp://www.geocities.com/osarsif/twins.htm.
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Calgary Girl Brainwashed
by deddaisy inthe edmonton sun .
april 14, 2002 sunday, final edition .
section: editorial/opinion; pg.
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The Edmonton Sun
April 14, 2002 Sunday, Final Edition
SECTION: Editorial/Opinion; Pg. C20
LENGTH: 633 words
HEADLINE: CALGARY GIRL BRAINWASHED AGAINST TRANSFUSIONS
BYLINE: MINDELLE JACOBS, EDMONTON SUN
BODY:
Brainwash young people with enough rubbish disguised as religious tenets and some of them are bound to become emotional
cripples.In the Middle East, vast numbers of Palestinians have a death wish, nurtured by mad mullahs who exhort people to become
suicide bombers.In the West, Jehovah's Witnesses feed followers the lie that leukemia can be treated without blood transfusions, which are
against their religious beliefs. Oh, yes. The 16-year-old Jehovah's Witness girl being treated against her will in a Calgary hospital
has been brainwashed all right.There is no evidence whatsoever that alternative treatment would help beat her leukemia. Yet, she seems to think otherwise.
She has pinned her hopes on blood-free treatment at Cedars-Sinai Medical Center in Los Angeles.
"Not only is it better for me mentally with my religious beliefs, but I would be respected and treated with dignity as a person and I
would be given better medical treatment," she told The Calgary Sun last month.Better treatment without blood transfusions for acute myeloid leukemia? Shame on the Jehovah's Witnesses movement for
propagating such garbage.And shame on the girl's lawyers for trying to persuade a judge that there's any validity to such claims.
"It's been done, it has worked," lawyer David Gnam said last month. "It has a 50% success rate compared to a 40% rate with
conventional treatment."That's a surprise to the experts. "Right now, there is no effective alternative to blood transfusions (for treating leukemia). That's
the bottom line," says Dr. David Rosenthal, a professor of medicine at Harvard University.Within five years, there may be an alternative therapy for leukemia patients that doesn't require blood products but currently that's
not the case, he says.Rosenthal, by the way, is no fierce opponent of non-traditional treatment. As chairman of the American Cancer Society's advisory
committee on complementary and alternative therapy, he fully supports research into various kinds of medical care.In the meantime, however, he says Jehovah's Witnesses' lawyers who pretend people with acute myeloid leukemia can be
effectively treated without blood transfusions are doing a profound disservice to the public.A cancer expert at Houston's M.D. Anderson Cancer Center is also disturbed with the claims of Jehovah's Witnesses that
chemotherapy without blood products is a viable option."It may be true for some diseases but not for leukemia," says Dr. Leonard Zwelling, the centre's vice-president of research
administration."If that could be done, everybody would be doing it," he says. "I've never heard of a patient with acute myeloid leukemia not
getting platelets."If the 16-year-old girl's lawyers have proof that it can be done, they should put their cards on the table, Zwelling says.
"Show me," he challenges. "I'd like to see their data."
He says he's not even sure medical ethical review boards would sanction studies comparing leukemia treatment with and without
blood transfusions because of the risks of infection and loss of blood.His message to the public? "Don't tie your doctor's hands. It may save your life."
Shane Brady, one of the girl's lawyers, says alternative therapy would involve less intensive chemotherapy, thereby minimizing the
need for blood transfusions.Rosenthal, the Harvard prof, is appalled at that idea. "Let her die a slow death rather than go into remission?" he wonders in
astonishment.The principled approach when dealing with a minor is to err on the side of life, says Dr. Philip Hebert, director of clinical ethics at
Toronto's Sunnybrook Hospital."Parents can make martyrs of themselves. They can't make martyrs of their children," he says.
Thankfully, the Alberta Court of Queen's Bench agrees.
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This could NEVER happen to the WTS, COULD IT?
by Nathan Natas inlink: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/a63143-2002may9.html.
ex-scientologist collects $8.7 million in 22-year-old case.
by richard leiby.
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deddaisy
where do I sign? I've been wanting to sue for years, but my friends keep telling me that I couldn't prove that I wasn't screwed up BEFORE the JW's got ahold of me......
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Is Anything Worth Dying For?
by HildaBingen ini often hear people here talk about the horrible jw willingness to die for blood transfusions.
maybe jws are mistaken when it comes to the bt issue; maybe not.
however i wonder if there is anything that is really worth dying for in this life.. for me, to live is christ and to die is gain.
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this baby never got the chance to research WTS doctrine, or anything else, to see if it was something she was willing to die for......
Copyright 2000 AllAfrica, Inc
Africa NewsOctober 5, 2000
SECTION: NEWS, DOCUMENTS & COMMENTARY
LENGTH: 486 words
HEADLINE: Zambia;
Baby Battles For Life As Parents Reject Blood TransfusionBYLINE: Panafrican News Agency
BODY:
Lusaka, Zambia (PANA) - A six-month-old baby is battling for her life at the Lusaka University Teaching Hospital (UTH) after
her parents who belong to the Jehovah's Witnesses sect rejected a blood transfusion to save her life on religious grounds.The baby's parents, Mr. and Mrs. Cleophas Mulumba who travelled from the Democratic Republic of Congo for the operation in
the country have refused to have the blood transfusion carried out.They said that they had deep-rooted belief in Christianity which was explicit about the handling of blood. According to the
state-run 'Times of Zambia' newspaper, Beatrice Kashimba, who underwent surgery last Monday for a condition called Biliary
Atresia lost vital pints of blood and body fluids after the operation when she developed diarrhoea and vomiting.UTH medical personnel said the condition of Beatrice, who was looking pale and weak, was grave and unless a blood
transfusion was carried out, her chances of survival were very slim.The parents, however, quoted a section of the Holy Bible, which states that: "The Holy Spirit and we have agreed not to put any
other burden on you besides those necessary rules. "Eat no food that has been offered to idols, eat no blood, eat no animals that
have been strangled and keep yourselves from sexual immorality. You will do well if you take care not to do these things with our
best wishes."UTH public relations officer, Pauline Mbangweta, expressed the hope that the parents would soon realise the gravity of the
condition of the child and allow the transfusion."The doctors were doing everything possible and had put the child on blood supplements. I hope the parents would have a change
of heart and allow ... blood transfusion," Mbangweta said.Meanwhile, Clement Samabona, spokesman of the Jehovah Witnesses' Watch Tower Society in Zambia said the refusal by the
parents to consent to blood transfusion was their personal belief and not that of the Church."There is no policy in the Church which bars anyone from blood transfusion, it is all a personal choice that anyone is entitled to,"
Samabona said.But Jason Sakala, another Watch Tower member, supported the parents' decision. He quoted Genesis 9 verses 4-16 to support
his views that the eating of blood is forbidden and anyone who disobeys this is disobeying God's law."I am in support of the parents because they are using God's words as their guidance. If they decide to do otherwise then they will
be disrespectful to God's law," Sakala told PANA.He added, "putting one's life ahead of God's law is fatal, as Mark 8: 35 and 36 tells us."
Sakala said there were other ways the hospital could supplement the needed blood other than transfusion.
Meanwhile, Beatice's parents are enraged with the Times of Zambia for carrying a front page picture Thursday of their baby lying
in agony at UTH, with a swollen stomach.LOAD-DATE: October 5, 2000
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Bill Bowen "Kidneys"
by HildaBingen inas a mystical christian, i am just as distressed about child molestation as is mr bowen.
however i wonder about this man's motives.
why did he choose to handle his row with the witness organization in this way?
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Copyright 2002 Sun Media Corporation
The Edmonton SunApril 14, 2002 Sunday, Final Edition
SECTION: Editorial/Opinion; Pg. C20
LENGTH: 633 words
HEADLINE: CALGARY GIRL BRAINWASHED AGAINST TRANSFUSIONS
BYLINE: MINDELLE JACOBS, EDMONTON SUN
BODY:
Brainwash young people with enough rubbish disguised as religious tenets and some of them are bound to become emotional
cripples.In the Middle East, vast numbers of Palestinians have a death wish, nurtured by mad mullahs who exhort people to become
suicide bombers.In the West, Jehovah's Witnesses feed followers the lie that leukemia can be treated without blood transfusions, which are
against their religious beliefs. Oh, yes. The 16-year-old Jehovah's Witness girl being treated against her will in a Calgary hospital
has been brainwashed all right.There is no evidence whatsoever that alternative treatment would help beat her leukemia. Yet, she seems to think otherwise.
She has pinned her hopes on blood-free treatment at Cedars-Sinai Medical Center in Los Angeles.
"Not only is it better for me mentally with my religious beliefs, but I would be respected and treated with dignity as a person and
I would be given better medical treatment," she told The Calgary Sun last month.Better treatment without blood transfusions for acute myeloid leukemia? Shame on the Jehovah's Witnesses movement for
propagating such garbage.And shame on the girl's lawyers for trying to persuade a judge that there's any validity to such claims.
"It's been done, it has worked," lawyer David Gnam said last month. "It has a 50% success rate compared to a 40% rate with
conventional treatment."That's a surprise to the experts. "Right now, there is no effective alternative to blood transfusions (for treating leukemia). That's
the bottom line," says Dr. David Rosenthal, a professor of medicine at Harvard University.Within five years, there may be an alternative therapy for leukemia patients that doesn't require blood products but currently
that's not the case, he says.Rosenthal, by the way, is no fierce opponent of non-traditional treatment. As chairman of the American Cancer Society's
advisory committee on complementary and alternative therapy, he fully supports research into various kinds of medical care.In the meantime, however, he says Jehovah's Witnesses' lawyers who pretend people with acute myeloid leukemia can be
effectively treated without blood transfusions are doing a profound disservice to the public.A cancer expert at Houston's M.D. Anderson Cancer Center is also disturbed with the claims of Jehovah's Witnesses that
chemotherapy without blood products is a viable option."It may be true for some diseases but not for leukemia," says Dr. Leonard Zwelling, the centre's vice-president of research
administration."If that could be done, everybody would be doing it," he says. "I've never heard of a patient with acute myeloid leukemia not
getting platelets."If the 16-year-old girl's lawyers have proof that it can be done, they should put their cards on the table, Zwelling says.
"Show me," he challenges. "I'd like to see their data."
He says he's not even sure medical ethical review boards would sanction studies comparing leukemia treatment with and without
blood transfusions because of the risks of infection and loss of blood.His message to the public? "Don't tie your doctor's hands. It may save your life."
Shane Brady, one of the girl's lawyers, says alternative therapy would involve less intensive chemotherapy, thereby minimizing
the need for blood transfusions.Rosenthal, the Harvard prof, is appalled at that idea. "Let her die a slow death rather than go into remission?" he wonders in
astonishment.The principled approach when dealing with a minor is to err on the side of life, says Dr. Philip Hebert, director of clinical ethics
at Toronto's Sunnybrook Hospital."Parents can make martyrs of themselves. They can't make martyrs of their children," he says.
Thankfully, the Alberta Court of Queen's Bench agrees.
LOAD-DATE: April 15, 2002
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Suggestion re: Attacks on Bill Bowen
by Kismet init seems that we have many new aliases popping up right now.
all posting attacks against bill bowen personally.. note they cannot argue the facts of abuse occuring but decide to go after one of the faces that represent the whole issue at hand, bill bowen.. it just goes to show how desperate some people become trying to protect their high control religion regardless the cost to children and adult children of past abuse.. i would like to suggest that we adopt the same advice our parent's gave us while growing up as dubs.
just ignore the taunts, the insults.
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deddaisy
some of the "newbies" may be innocent, I haven't posted very long myself... but it's kind of questionable when they "pop" up at this critical time, out of the blue, and get right into the "silentlambs" topic....WTS is really big on their LEGAL department and it wouldn't be below them to post here in an attempt to obtain information in order to figure out their next move.....they'll take any info that we give them in hopes that they can use it as a defense in case of possible lawsuits.....they'll pis us off to get us to talk.......
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Bill Bowen "Kidneys"
by HildaBingen inas a mystical christian, i am just as distressed about child molestation as is mr bowen.
however i wonder about this man's motives.
why did he choose to handle his row with the witness organization in this way?
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hilda.....you know exactly why "brother" Bowen did not DA himself.....
your only intent is to find out if anyone else knows.....go f yourself
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This could NEVER happen to the WTS, COULD IT?
by Nathan Natas inlink: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/a63143-2002may9.html.
ex-scientologist collects $8.7 million in 22-year-old case.
by richard leiby.
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ex-jeovies would have to file a CLASS ACTION suit!!!!!
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JW response to CNN article
by dubla ini just showed the (bill bowen) cnn article to my father(active jw), and he started defending the jws before he even finished reading it.
why are they always so averse to looking at possible flaws?
its frustrating to see them constantly defending the faith, blindly.
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you know how they have "al-anon" for family members trying to deal with alcoholics?
we definitely need a "jw-anon," for family members trying to deal with blinded JW's.......
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only a test/don't bother reading
by deddaisy indidn't realize this was already posted, sorry........... national post (f/k/a the financial post) .
march 11, 2002 monday national edition .
section: news; pg.
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Didn't realize this was already posted, sorry..........
National Post (f/k/a The Financial Post)March 11, 2002 Monday National Edition
SECTION: News; Pg. A3
LENGTH: 900 words
HEADLINE: Father fights lonely battle for daughter: Calgary Jehovah's Witness shunned by family after agreeing to blood
transfusions: Defies his faithSOURCE: The Canadian Press
BYLINE: Carol Harrington
DATELINE: CALGARY
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CALGARY - A Jehovah's Witness who defied his faith by consenting to blood transfusions for his 16-year-old
leukemia-stricken daughter, has been ignored by family and friends, "lost" for almost a month.The 51-year-old Calgary father -- who can't be named under laws protecting the identity of his daughter -- knew he would pay a
high price. Even the daughter whose life might be saved by his decision sometimes says she hates him."I was under tremendous pressure," he said in a recent interview. "Because I knew that if I went against what the church taught,
that I would be excommunicated and no Jehovah's Witness would ever speak to me again, including my family." His wife now
comes home only to do laundry, and his other two daughters, 14 and 22, want little to do with him.They've banned him from his daughter's hospital room when Witness meetings are piped in over the speaker phone. Meetings
occur several times a week and sometimes last all day.He is ignored by his friends.
"It's as though I don't exist."
The shunning is used on any Jehovah's Witness who challenges such tenets as the prohibition against blood transfusions, which
the members of the religious organization believe is spelled out in several Bible passages."When I made the decision with a clear conscience, I went into my daughter's hospital room."
"My whole family was there, and I told them about my decision, saying, 'No matter what happens with this case, I still love you,
each and every one of you.'"And their reply, each of them, was, 'We hate you and we'll never speak to you again.' "
Doctors say the best available treatment for his daughter's potentially fatal disease is blood transfusions and chemotherapy. She
has received treatments several times over the last three weeks at the Alberta Children's Hospital.According to the girl's lawyer, when she is taken to the operating room for a transfusion, she uses what little strength she has to
resist."They semi-sedate her, hold her down on the bed and they give the blood transfusion," said David Gnam, whose law firm in
Georgetown, Ont., works primarily for the Jehovah's Witnesses.As the girl's condition improves, Gnam is looking for legal and medical alternatives to the transfusions. "She's not trying to die,"
he said. "She would like treatment that would respect her wishes."The family's ordeal began in mid-February, when the girl was diagnosed with acute myeloid leukemia after she went to the hospital
for what she thought was a throat infection.The family was devastated when the pediatrician broke the news.
"By the time she finished talking, everyone in my family was sitting on the floor," said the father. "I mean, it literally floored us. We
couldn't even stand."His daughter cried out, "I don't want to die!" and sobbed in her parents' arms.
The family was told there is a 40-50% survival rate with blood transfusions and a 65% chance with a bone marrow transplant.
They flatly rejected the suggested treatment, simply saying they were Jehovah's Witnesses.
But then the father opened his Bible to Acts 15:28, one of the passages the Witnesses cite for refusing blood transfusions. Over
and over, he read:"For the Holy Spirit and we ourselves, ask a favour adding no further burden to you except these necessary things: to abstain from
things sacrificed to idols and from blood and from the things strangled and from fornication. If you carefully keep yourselves from
these things, you will prosper. Good health to you."He had read the words hundreds of times since becoming a Witness 20 years ago in Belleville, Ont. He had simply accepted what
he was told in religious meetings: no heavenly paradise for those who accept another's blood."I was struggling with those scriptures and reading others that talk a great deal about the sanctity of life, how important life is," he
said.He concluded it would be wrong, even cruel, to watch his daughter die without trying to save her. "I went over the scriptures with
my daughter to try to help her understand the way I interpreted it," he said. "She was not responsive to me. She wasn't interested."If the teenager had agreed to a transfusion, she too would be disowned by her mother and her sisters, her father said.
"She's lived such an isolated, controlled life -- all her friends are Jehovah's Witnesses," he said.
He talks to his daughter each day on the phone. Sometimes she gets angry, telling him, "I hate you," but there are kinder, gentler
moments when she says the opposite.The few conversations he now has with his wife are brief. "She gets very upset and cries," he said. "She'd remind me every time
my daughter gets a blood transfusion she's being raped, it's having irreparable harm to my daughter."He has had many sleepless nights in his empty home. He finds himself weeping at unexpected times -- in the car, sometimes with a
mouth full of food.He continues to work at an architectural firm and spends most of his time talking to lawyers and doctors, feeding his children's
rabbits, and cleaning the house."Before, there were four people looking after the house. Now there's only myself."
He hasn't yet been expelled from the Jehovah's Witnesses. It's a formality he expects will soon happen. "If you challenge them,
then you know you're out. There's no tolerance for independent thought."GRAPHIC: Black & White Photo: Colleen Kidd, Calgary Herald; Lawyer David Gnam says he is looking for legal and medical
alternatives to ordered blood transfusions.LOAD-DATE: March 11, 2002
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