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21 YEAR OLD DIES REFUSING MEDICAL AID

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these articles most likely have previously been posted, one is from 2000 but i'm posting them in response to "dead lambs" in the may 15, 2002 friends forum....as the articles are from a news database, i don't have any links...... (yes, i edited and changed this, you're not losing it....).

tass .

deddaisy

THIS LAST COMMENTARY IS FROM A JOURNAL. CHECK OUT THE REFERENCES. AGAIN, IT'S FROM A DATABASE SO I DON'T HAVE A LINK.....
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Copyright 2000 by The Lancet Ltd
The Lancet

Lancet 2000; 356 (9223): 8

July 1, 2000

SECTION: Commentary

LENGTH: 291 words

TITLE: Jehovah's Witnesses' blood policy

SOURCE: The Lancet, London WC1X 8RR, UK

AUTHOR: Sharp, David

TEXT:

For a brief moment earlier this month there seemed to be a change to a spiritual doctrine that has
worried physicians and surgeons for many years. Jehovah's Witnesses, the 6 million adherents of a
Christian religion, interpret a biblical injunction as meaning that transfusions of whole blood or its
primary components are not allowed. Sometimes alternatives or specialists in blood-free
management, or both, are available, and the Jehovah's Witnesses try to educate doctors about these;
or the patient survives the crisis without blood. Less happy outcomes are recourse to the courts-or
the avoidable, in a clinician's view, death of a patient.

On June 14 a British newspaper report referred to "an extraordinary U-turn",n 1* dating back to last
April but not well publicised until now. The acceptance of a transfusion would not lead to active
banishment by the church; such an act would, in the language of the Jehovah's Witnesses, become a
"non-disfellowshipping event". Almost immediately, the religion's offices in New York and London,n
2* n 3* were asserting how little had in fact changed. To accept a blood transfusion is tantamount
to self-expulsion, it is argued, so there is no need for congregations to take action.

Also of significance, again only at first sight, could be a 1998 judgment referred to in a letter in this
week's Lancet. The judge said that a court order allowing blood transfusion against the wishes of
the child and the parents would have been right whether the child was "Gillick incompetent" or not.
The Jehovah's Witnesses' position on this case is to accept the reality that courts will use a
"competent and 18" test-while still hoping for recognition of the "autonomy of mature young people".

REFERENCES:

( n1 ). Gledhill R. U-turn on blood transfusions by Witnesses. Times June 14, 2000.

( n2 ). Jehovah's Witnesses Public Affairs Office, New York. Statement to the media (June 14,
2000); Jehovah's Witnesses reaffirm religious doctrine on blood transfusions (June 15, 2000).

( n3 ). Gillies P. Choice for Witnesses. Times June 21, 2000.

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21 YEAR OLD DIES REFUSING MEDICAL AID

by deddaisy in

these articles most likely have previously been posted, one is from 2000 but i'm posting them in response to "dead lambs" in the may 15, 2002 friends forum....as the articles are from a news database, i don't have any links...... (yes, i edited and changed this, you're not losing it....).

tass .

deddaisy

ARTICLE 5
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Deutsche Presse-Agentur

December 11, 1998, Friday, BC Cycle
01:33 Central European Time

SECTION: International News

LENGTH: 89 words

HEADLINE: Woman dies after refusing blood transfusion

DATELINE: Sydney

BODY:

A Jehovah's Witness died in an Australian hospital after refusing a blood donation that would have
kept her alive, news resports Friday said.

The death in a Brisbane hospital of the 26-year-old married woman coincides with a legal battle in
Melbourne over whether doctors were right to override the written request of a 20-year-old
Jehovah's Witness not to be given blood. The doctors acted with the verbal consent of her
husband.

Jehovah's Witnesses, a Christian sect, say the Bible forbids the transfusion of blood.

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21 YEAR OLD DIES REFUSING MEDICAL AID

by deddaisy in

these articles most likely have previously been posted, one is from 2000 but i'm posting them in response to "dead lambs" in the may 15, 2002 friends forum....as the articles are from a news database, i don't have any links...... (yes, i edited and changed this, you're not losing it....).

tass .

deddaisy

ARTICLE 4 (AGAIN, SORRY BUT I DON'T HAVE LINKS BECAUSE THESE ARE COPIED TO DISC FROM A NEWS DATABASE)
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Copyright 2001 CanWest Interactive, a division of
CanWest Global Communications Corp.
All Rights Reserved
The Star Phoenix (Saskatoon)

July 4, 2001 Wednesday Final Edition

SECTION: Local/Regional; Pg. A5

LENGTH: 420 words

HEADLINE: Dead teen held firm to faith: Youth involved in crash a Jehovah's Witness, refused to accept blood transfusion

SOURCE: Saskatchewan News Network; Regina Leader-Post

BYLINE: Mike O'Brien

DATELINE: REGINA

BODY:
REGINA -- Dylan Boe held on to his faith until the end.

The 19-year-old was the only one of four young friends who wasn't immediately killed in a two-vehicle crash Saturday near
Melville.

Like Preston Presiloski, Adam Anderson and Elisha Stasiuk, Boe was a Jehovah's Witness. Despite numerous injuries, Boe
told medical staff at the hospitals in Melville and, later, in Regina, that he would not break one of his faith's principle rules. "He
made it very plain and clear he was one of Jehovah's Witnesses and as such he would not accept a blood transfusion," said Kim
Gilbert, an elder with the Parkdale congregation in north Regina, where all four of the dead attended services.

Boe underwent one operation in Regina Saturday to remove his spleen. A second operation to treat broken bones and other
injuries was halted midway after his vital signs faltered, said Gilbert, who was with Boe and his family when the young man died in
hospital later that day.

"He had this grin," Gilbert said. "That was Dylan . . . he had a heart as big as the world and he was just as goofy."

Boe's final day illustrated what Gilbert called the most important aspect of the four friend's lives -- their faith. All were baptized
ordained ministers whose primary focus was spreading their faith.

Early Saturday, the four young people were returning from friends' graduation celebrations in Melville, Gilbert said.

According to RCMP, they were northbound on a grid road and trying to cross Highway 15 when they collided with an eastbound
vehicle, half a kilometre east of Melville. Two of the four were not wearing seatbelts. The 16-year-old Melville female in the
eastbound car sustained minor injuries.

"It's really going to make the young ones in our congregation sit up and take notice of their lives, what they want to do with them,"
Gilbert said of the deaths.

He described all four as happy people with interests that included music, art and sports. "They basically grew up together. . . .
These guys have met every week for the last 10 years."

Boe worked for a seed cleaning firm; Anderson, 20, was a sales representative for Superstore; Presiloski, 18, delivered
newspapers; and Stasiuk, a 16-year-old high school student, wanted to become a hair stylist.

Most of the city's nearly 600 Jehovah's Witnesses are likely to attend the memorial service for all four friends held today.

Citing patient confidentiality, a Regina Health District spokesperson declined to discuss Boe's medical treatment.

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21 YEAR OLD DIES REFUSING MEDICAL AID

by deddaisy in

these articles most likely have previously been posted, one is from 2000 but i'm posting them in response to "dead lambs" in the may 15, 2002 friends forum....as the articles are from a news database, i don't have any links...... (yes, i edited and changed this, you're not losing it....).

tass .

deddaisy

ARTICLE 3
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CanWest Global Communications Corp.
All Rights Reserved
The Vancouver Sun

February 3, 2001 Saturday FINAL EDITION

SECTION: NEWS, Pg. B1 / Front

LENGTH: 683 words

HEADLINE: Patient who refused blood has right to sue: Court rules man can sue the hospital where his Jehovah's Witness
wife died

BYLINE: Neal Hall

SOURCE: Vancouver Sun

BODY:
A Jehovah's Witness who signed a release form refusing any blood transfusions before she died during a routine operation did
not sign away her right to sue for medical negligence, a B.C. Supreme Court judge ruled Friday.

Daphne Hobbs underwent a hysterectomy at Chilliwack General Hospital on April 15, 1996. The operation was expected to take
up to two hours and result in the loss of about 200 millilitres of blood.

Instead, there was unexpected and substantial bleeding during the operation. The 36-year-old mother of three died at 1 a.m. the
next day after losing all her circulating blood, about 4,000 ml. Her husband, Ernest Hobbs, filed a lawsuit in 1998, claiming
negligence against the hospital and a number of doctors. A number of defendants were struck from the case, which is proceedings
against Dr. John Robertson, the obstetrician who performed the operation, and Dr. A.A. Suleman, the anesthetist.

Ernest Hobbs filed the lawsuit on behalf of his children Kaleb, 6, Travis, 10 and Jada, 12.

A trial was set for last Dec. 4 but a legal issue that had to be sorted out first was whether the release form, specifying that Daphne
Hobbs refused to accept blood or blood products for religious reasons, absolved the doctors of liability.

Justice Allen Melvin, in a 21-page written judgment, decided it did not. "In my opinion, the form she signed does not ... amount to
a voluntary assumption of risk of surgeons' negligence by Mrs. Hobbs," the judge concluded.

"A contrary conclusion could result in patients (who do not sign releases) receiving a higher standard of care than those who do
so."

As a result of the decision, the matter will now proceed to trial or possibly an out-of-court settlement, said lawyer Lou Zivot, who
is acting for Ernest Hobbs, 46.

"With this hurdle out of the way, I would hope we could proceed to talking about settlement," Zivot said.

"This is quite a novel point," he said of the legal issue.

According to court documents, the doctors deny their care of the patient was negligent. Robertson's statement of defence says he
"exercised reasonable care, skill and diligence."

Robertson concluded the death "could have been prevented if this lady could have received blood and coagulation products."

An affidavit filed by Ernest Hobbs states he was called to the hospital and was advised there had been some bleeding.

"It was sometime after my arrival that I was asked ... about giving Daphne blood and I told him I would not go against her wishes
or religious convictions," the affidavit says.

"Nobody told me that even if blood had been given at that time, whether it would make a difference. I was simply told that it was
unlikely she would survive."

An affidavit by Dr. Mark Hobbs, a Montreal obstetrician and gynecologist retained by Hobbs's lawyer, said Robertson's
operative report on the surgery was inadequate because "it does not detail all the events that must have occurred during this
four-hour operation."

Boyd, who noted he had treated numerous Jehovah's Witness patients, wrote that it appeared Daphne Hobbs had been given
massive amounts of crystalloids that had "washed out" all the clotting factors in her blood so it could not coagulate.

Boyd said Hobbs suffered a pelvic hemorrhage, which is hard to see during vaginal surgery. He suggested Robertson "should have
opened the abdomen and controlled the bleeding" rather than continuing the operation vaginally.

Robertson's operation report stated "the site of the bleeding could not be easily ascertained."

Daphne Hobbs had sought the operation to solve a bleeding problem. She told her husband it was low risk. Previously, she had
attended hospital for four medical procedures, including a cesarean section, and each time had signed a release form refusing to
permit blood transfusions.

The operation record shows the surgery commenced at 12:18 p.m. and finished at 4:35 p.m.

Initially, there was one intravenous line connected to Hobbs but a second line was connected at 1:45, when she was given 10 per
cent dextran, a blood substitute. _

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21 YEAR OLD DIES REFUSING MEDICAL AID

by deddaisy in

these articles most likely have previously been posted, one is from 2000 but i'm posting them in response to "dead lambs" in the may 15, 2002 friends forum....as the articles are from a news database, i don't have any links...... (yes, i edited and changed this, you're not losing it....).

tass .

deddaisy

ARTICLE #2
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Copyright 2000 AllAfrica, Inc
Africa News

October 5, 2000

SECTION: NEWS, DOCUMENTS & COMMENTARY

LENGTH: 486 words

HEADLINE: Zambia;
Baby Battles For Life As Parents Reject Blood Transfusion

BYLINE: Panafrican News Agency

BODY:

Lusaka, Zambia (PANA) - A six-month-old baby is battling for her life at the Lusaka University Teaching Hospital (UTH) after
her parents who belong to the Jehovah's Witnesses sect rejected a blood transfusion to save her life on religious grounds.

The baby's parents, Mr. and Mrs. Cleophas Mulumba who travelled from the Democratic Republic of Congo for the operation in
the country have refused to have the blood transfusion carried out.

They said that they had deep-rooted belief in Christianity which was explicit about the handling of blood. According to the
state-run 'Times of Zambia' newspaper, Beatrice Kashimba, who underwent surgery last Monday for a condition called Biliary
Atresia lost vital pints of blood and body fluids after the operation when she developed diarrhoea and vomiting.

UTH medical personnel said the condition of Beatrice, who was looking pale and weak, was grave and unless a blood
transfusion was carried out, her chances of survival were very slim.

The parents, however, quoted a section of the Holy Bible, which states that: "The Holy Spirit and we have agreed not to put any
other burden on you besides those necessary rules. "Eat no food that has been offered to idols, eat no blood, eat no animals that
have been strangled and keep yourselves from sexual immorality. You will do well if you take care not to do these things with our
best wishes."

UTH public relations officer, Pauline Mbangweta, expressed the hope that the parents would soon realise the gravity of the
condition of the child and allow the transfusion.

"The doctors were doing everything possible and had put the child on blood supplements. I hope the parents would have a change
of heart and allow ... blood transfusion," Mbangweta said.

Meanwhile, Clement Samabona, spokesman of the Jehovah Witnesses' Watch Tower Society in Zambia said the refusal by the
parents to consent to blood transfusion was their personal belief and not that of the Church.

"There is no policy in the Church which bars anyone from blood transfusion, it is all a personal choice that anyone is entitled to,"
Samabona said.

But Jason Sakala, another Watch Tower member, supported the parents' decision. He quoted Genesis 9 verses 4-16 to support
his views that the eating of blood is forbidden and anyone who disobeys this is disobeying God's law.

"I am in support of the parents because they are using God's words as their guidance. If they decide to do otherwise then they will
be disrespectful to God's law," Sakala told PANA.

He added, "putting one's life ahead of God's law is fatal, as Mark 8: 35 and 36 tells us."

Sakala said there were other ways the hospital could supplement the needed blood other than transfusion.

Meanwhile, Beatice's parents are enraged with the Times of Zambia for carrying a front page picture Thursday of their baby lying
in agony at UTH, with a swollen stomach.

____________________________________________________________________

Meanwhile, Clement Samabona, spokesman of the Jehovah Witnesses' Watch Tower Society in Zambia said the refusal by the
parents to consent to blood transfusion was their personal belief and not that of the Church.

"There is no policy in the Church which bars anyone from blood transfusion, it is all a personal choice that anyone is entitled to,"
Samabona said.
______________________________________________________________________ Does that sound like the WTS is trying to "shrug" off any responsibility? Talk about adding insult to injury.......

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DEAD LAMBS!

by moman in

jw
friends

of course the sexual abouse of children is horrible, but what about the "slaughter of the innocnents" by the borg?.

a child does have the chance to recover from abuse, but not death!.

the watchtower knows that its blood policy is based on misinterpretation of schripture & bad science, yet they allow this insane policy to continue, as more die every day, after all, "jehovaha's people are a happy people!".

deddaisy

ballistic: my heart goes out to you. just reading your comment took me back to when I lost my mom. losing a parent or child, especially when you are helpless to stop it, leaves a hole in your soul....

the pain that this organization has CAUSED with it's indoctrinations is inexcusable. now the G.B. is old, and brittle, and will soon be as rotten and decayed outside as they are inside. I only wish that before they die, they sit in hospital room day in and day out, watching a loved one, that needs a transfusion, die.

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21 YEAR OLD DIES REFUSING MEDICAL AID

by deddaisy in

these articles most likely have previously been posted, one is from 2000 but i'm posting them in response to "dead lambs" in the may 15, 2002 friends forum....as the articles are from a news database, i don't have any links...... (yes, i edited and changed this, you're not losing it....).

tass .

deddaisy

dungbeetle,
maybe I should have, but I commented to eddie (in his thread) that I would post them here in case anyone wanted to see them. Some of them are long and I didn't want to just BOMBARD his thread with articles.....

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DEAD LAMBS!

by moman in

jw
friends

of course the sexual abouse of children is horrible, but what about the "slaughter of the innocnents" by the borg?.

a child does have the chance to recover from abuse, but not death!.

the watchtower knows that its blood policy is based on misinterpretation of schripture & bad science, yet they allow this insane policy to continue, as more die every day, after all, "jehovaha's people are a happy people!".

deddaisy

ThiChi,
I agree that the issue needs no comparisons... I wasn't directing my ramblings at you, actually I was agreeing with your point of view but then got caught up in the article I had recently read...I agree that most of the Dead Lambs willingly were sacrificed...

The thing about the blood policy that gets me is when someone:

1)is NOT an ADULT, but is FORCED into making an ADULT decision, i.e. "shoud I take blood and be shamed by my faith and family, or should I, as an invincible young person stand by what's been shoved down my throat as the "right" thing to do?"

2)is NOT an ADULT, but who's life is dependent upon their adult parents, who have decided that since THEY will die for the WTS, their baby certainly should too.

In order to commit oneself (in Baptism) to this moronic society, a person should have to be an adult.

ThiChi, it's so good that you got out of there....

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MOSCOW JW's ACCUSED OF FAMILY BREAKUP

by deddaisy in

i'm not sure if this has been posted, but it's worth posting again for those that haven't seen it......again, the article is from a database so i don't have a link........ _____________________________________________________________________.

news bulletin .

deddaisy

freddie...
what're you doing on this thread, don't you know there are DEMONS here

OH SORRY, that's YOUR PICTURE.........

dungbeetle,
mental illness and depression are very obvious in the WTS....
if not upon entering, then upon exiting......

a JW relative that was recently df'ed is now seeing a therapist, she can't deal with the newfound fact that everyone is actually going to die, combined with the fact that her "life-long" friends(?) and family will have nothing to do with her.

anyway, her therapist says that she, the therapist, LOVES JW's because they KEEP HER IN BUSINESS!!!!

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DEAD LAMBS!

by moman in

jw
friends

of course the sexual abouse of children is horrible, but what about the "slaughter of the innocnents" by the borg?.

a child does have the chance to recover from abuse, but not death!.

the watchtower knows that its blood policy is based on misinterpretation of schripture & bad science, yet they allow this insane policy to continue, as more die every day, after all, "jehovaha's people are a happy people!".

deddaisy

ThiChi, I certainly agree that alot of the "Dead Lambs" (sacrificed to WTS doctrine)were old enough to have made such a crucial decision, though it is often times, again, the child that loses out when their parent or grandparent is sacrificed to WT doctrine. I recently read an article in which the witness that died left behind three children, all under the age of twelve. The father is suing the doctor, in the names of the children, because of complications that, allegedly, could've been avoided during surgery. The point is, a transfusion DURING complications would've most likely saved her. Doctors, during emergency situations, are attempting to save lives with their hands tied. Then they're sued. That's probably why there are no JW surgeons, even JW insurance companies wouldn't insure them.
As far as I'm concerned, if you have children, you have the responsibility to do whatever you need to do in order to stay alive for them. The WTS and parents are shrugging responsibility off onto the doctors.
Unfortunately, many people are easily indoctrinated and go on to indoctrinate their children. This will NEVER change, so there MUST be laws that prevent anyone under the age of 18 from refusing life-sustaining medical treatment for ANY reason. If you're not old enough to die for a country, you're not old enough to die for a religion. The WTS KNOWS this, but avoiding lawsuits, once again, is more important to them than lives....

eddie, I posted all of the articles under "21 YEAR OLD DIES...." in the "Blood" forum....